Williams: Jared Jones is a Familiar Story With Hopefully a Different Ending

Stop me if this sounds familiar.

The Pittsburgh Pirates have a right-handed pitcher in A-ball who can consistently throw 98-99 MPH. He was signed to a big bonus out of high school, away from a big name college. He strikes out everyone with his fastball and plus breaking pitch.

He also needs better control, and could possibly use a changeup.

Jared Jones was drafted by the Pirates in the second round in 2020. He was paid a $2.2 million bonus. He now throws 98-99 MPH on command, through a high-effort delivery, and mixes in a slider that helps him achieve a strikeout rate around 30%.

Over the years, the Pirates' scouting department has done exceptionally well to identify young pitchers like Jones, who have gone on to quickly show elite stuff in pro ball.

Tyler Glasnow is the mos...

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JimEastTennessee

Castro snags the missile!

JimEastTennessee

Duh.
Thanks Tim  :wpds_oops: 

NMR

I never know what to think about guys who put up gaudy strikeout rates and yet are still really hittable.

With a walk rate barely in double digits, a dude with his raw stuff typically would carve A-ball hitters and cover for the extra baserunner or two he’ll put aboard for free. Such as, well, literally every arm Tim mentioned about. Yet here we are.

Short answer, I’m sure, is “command” but that feels kind of lazy. Every big league arm on the planet could benefit from better command.

With Jones, though, maybe it’s really just that.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Well, I was in a happy mood today. Feeling optimistic about recent trend of events. But then, rather relevant to the article with regards to developing pitchers, I looked up how Oviedo has been doing since returning to Cleveland….

Walks still a little high, but seems to be back on track

robertkasperski

He was just DFA’d and cleared waivers this time. I am guessing that the Pirates were hoping to do the same and have him in AA or AAA this year too and not on the 40 man. Cleveland ruined that idea.

1979andCounting

So we could have gotten him back, in the minors, off the 40-man. Which is what BC was trying to accomplish a couple weeks ago. WTH didn’t we do that??? Hello, anybody at home on Federal Street?

robertkasperski

No I believe if we would have claimed him, he would have been on our 40 man and we would have had to DFA him to get him to the minors and DFA someone else just to get Oviedio here just to DFA him immediately

1979andCounting

You may be right…..dang it’s hard to remove a guy from the 40-man! Way too hard.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I had a comment/question and got sidetracked with the Cal news, which has me elated, but back to the article at hand.

When bringing up stripping pitchers of “individuality”, it got me thinking. Do we believe that in a way they have since replaced the pitchers with the hitters in stripping individuality? I understand maybe prospects like Bae, Marcano, or Endy to name a few, but I’m not really fond of this “EVERYONE needs to learn multiple positions”.

And in some way, could just be embellished slightly, as it’s not like they’ve been throwing Head, Siani, or Lolo Sanchez in at 2B or 3B randomly.

agent00

i had similar thoughts. i think with some players they play best when they’re just playing one position all the time. not every player can play multiple positions. even if they’re super athletic.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I like the sound of it. Looking forward to that article.

RAS TN

Pirates To Promote Cal Mitchell…
He needs to play every day…Suwinski needs to go back to AAA and play every day,,,

robertkasperski

Or (gasp) DFA Van Meter. No, no chance. Castillo or Castro mostly Castro to play every day at AAA and keep Suwinski up. Jack does no look overmatched at all and he has been playing a lot. I like the idea of 4 OF plus they need 13 fielders on the roster by Sunday anyway. I am guessing DFA for Hembree maybe.

Any way

agent00

i didn’t think i’d hear the name quinton miller ever again. ahhh the memories

dbsteel

He’s probably a future reliever…… but nothing wrong with that.

skliesen

Nobody loves a SP who can bring the high 90’s heat more than me. That’s why I’m so excited to see the Nolan Ryan documentary coming out soon. But I’m a bit skeptical of the thinking a prospect who has control problems and only two pitches will be a successful MLB SP in today’s world.

The most encouraging part of this article was reading how Jones had more success after dialing it down and being on time with his movements in his last outing.

Here’s hoping he learned a valuable lesson that will actually help him reach his goal one day in the near future.

tedwins

Yuppers, that seems to be the direction of the article, kid has talent, measureables, here is what they are doing to make it work, fingers crossed👍

tedwins

Excellent article imho, showing his promise and actual feedback from those responsible on working on his necessary development. Of course we can simply state it will not happen for us/him or give the new team in place, in milb, a fair chance. Im a glass half full guy, i choose the latter, become great “Jonesy”👍👍

JimEastTennessee

I tend toward Polly Anna wearing my heart on the sleeve of my Willie Stargell jersey, but I’m getting weary, this ML team is awfully hard to endure.

tedwins

Yes, I get that mate👍, but this article is about an upside prospect, pretty much all we have to be positive abt, plenty of time with daily mlb pirate threads to rip on them, deserved, as i witness daily👍👏

JimEastTennessee

I LOVE PP2, I think I found it early in the first year 🙂

My apologies, I REALLY try not to rip the Pirates (much). I am cautiously excited about the potential for the team late 2023, going into 2024 with all the strength of the MiLB growing into big league roles.

However, in about 2014, I was looking at 2017 as “the year”, then Marte got stupid, pitchers never developed, the giraffe tried to fly into 2nd base, Archer, pitchers did not develop, and there went that window.
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BTW, is there a way/means/place to start a new thread, I must be dense, or blind…

tedwins

No worries mate, and i get you, for sure👏….the MLB game thread is many hours away, this is the best thread to share your good comments until then, i think👍👍

JimEastTennessee

“…the encouraging sign would be Jones living up to his potential in Pittsburgh.”
There’s my old soapbox again…development, development, development.

It is refreshing, encouraging, tantalizing, intriguing, and hopeful to dream about multiple guys all throughout the Farm who could one day succeed, if not thrive at PNC.
HOWEVER, it is sort of like walking home from junior high school in Altoona…I’d pass the Boyer candy plant and smell the chocolate, but rarely had a quarter to buy a Mallo Cup at Sheetz.

Show me the money/results. Please.

JoeNastasi

I don’t care what his #’s are this year. I just want to hear how he’s working on a 3rd & 4th pitch by throwing them about 25% of the time.
Lower minors should be about working on developing pitches & upper minors on commanding them. This was Glasnow & Keller’s biggest problem, they dominated with their FB’s in lower minors & didn’t work on secondary stuff

JimEastTennessee

results/money = MLB player. There will be attrition yes, but cannot have the flameouts in Pittsburgh that thrive in the COs/ Houstons/NYs later.

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