Pirates Game Discussion: Pirates at Cubs, 7:40 PM

The Pittsburgh Pirates (15-19) travel to Wrigley Field on Monday night to take on the Chicago Cubs (13-20) in the first game of a three-game series. Dillon Peters (3-1, 1.83) will be on the mound for the Pirates, facing off against veteran lefty Wade Miley (0-0, 9.00), who is making his second start of the season. He pitched three innings in his debut last Tuesday.

The Pirates picked up catcher Tyler Heineman on Monday.

Here are the lineups:

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Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

So, in turning to conspiracy theories to entertain my Pirates anger, I’m now wondering, how much of this is Travis Williams fault? Murphy and I were earlier discussing the NHL and their LOOOVE of retreads. I just started thinking Travis probably had huge influence in hiring a MLB retread in Ben, and probably pushed it as a “known name” move.

HeisenbergWW

8-0 after the first inning and it wasn’t even a Mitch Keller start… sigh

HeisenbergWW

I thought Beede was a LHP based on the picture posted on this site (I think).
Surprised to see him throwing RH

Wilbur Miller

17 pitches, 8 strikes. A new Pirate pitcher has arrived.

PiratePrimate

They’re stretching Wilson out so Peters only has to face one hitter next start

agent00

keller and brubaker.

what’s that? no i didn’t see that on your twitter account!

agent00

fun trivia question though!

Wilbur Miller

Since the Dodgers series, the Pirates are batting .133.

PiratePrimate

Well, that Reds pitching is devastating

agent00

i’m sorry to keep bringing it up….and i know hitting coach is an extremely tough and thankless job. but the hiring of haines was so uninspiring. and the results so far have been predictable.

Wilbur Miller

He’s the coaching equivalent of VanMeter.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

We were able to grab a live reaction of Tyler Heineman upon finding out he was claimed by the Pirates

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

That is likely true. But I also think of how no hit catchers with some experience always seem to find a spot somewhere. In addition to how even players like Knapp and Marisnick clearly waited till the LAST minute to sign, as they were probably holding out, hoping anyone else would sign them.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

And that actually makes it worse, like Vanmeter, that THOSE teams walked away from them, and Ben still thought them to be viable acquisitions. Marisnick made some nice catches, but the fact we’re at a point we have to spin a handful of highlight reel catches as the only positive is sad.

Wilbur Miller

What it boils down to is that three of the worst teams in MLB got rid of those guys in an effort to improve and the Pirates picked up not one, not two, but all three.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Ah, did not know that. Didn’t read that much into their situations lol

Wilbur Miller

You got it wrong. He’d be celebrating, because he can play like a zombie and Ben & Derry will be just fine with that.

agent00

don’t worry everyone. highly acclaimed and coveted hitting coach andy haines will help make these hitters better

jeffw3000

I think he is making the hitters worse. If that is possible.

agent00

and isn’t he in charge of the organizational hitting program??

CTBucco

Explains a LOT.

docdon385

Silk purse from sow’s ear?

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I bet Newman comes back in a couple weeks reinvigorated with a new batting stance!!! Ready to hit balls into the dirt. Again.

PirateRican21

Hitting balls into the dirt, Hayes’ ears are burning. Hayes will be a .600 OPS guy by mid season with 10+ errors!

1979andCounting

Royals fired their hitting coach today…….so it is permissable.

jeffw3000

Maybe the Pirates will fire Haines to hire the Royals coach. He has the perfect name for Pittsburgh, though he looks nothing like the QB.

Wilbur Miller

Has BC hired him yet?

PirateRican21

Not defending the hitting coach, but look at what he has to work with! Hard to make even lemonade!!!!

1979andCounting

Interviewing tomorrow. The key to the job is saying he just wants the hitters to have fun up at the plate.

Last edited 1 month ago by 1979andCounting
jeffw3000

Once he says hi my name is Terry Bradshaw, BC will say you’re hired. He will tell the media, if he can win 4 Super Bowls, there is no reason he can’t help us win a World Series pennant.

agent00

i mean. that’s basically why cherington was hired. because he won a world series.

jon6er

I love the teams enthusiasm…..coach

PirateRican21

Is more about having fun……

TNBucs

I have no doubt that Shelton would make a great 12U baseball coach. I’d love to see him get that opportunity.

jon6er

My neighbor stole my wife, the bank repossessed my car and my son kicked me out after a week of living with him. The church counselor asked aren’t you even a little embarrassed by all this and I said nah….I’m a lifelong Pittsburgh Pirate fan!

PirateRican21

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I should’ve just went ahead and installed my truck bed cover. Alas, I didn’t want to leave my son unattended too long inside. For fear he might’ve actually figured out how to turn on the Pirates game and watch too long.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)
1979andCounting

Eleven innings streak without a hit…….see if you squint hard enough you’ll see something fun to watch this game.

Wilbur Miller

Now 12. Three seasons now. Not in my lifetime has there been a Pirates’ GM with BC’s ability to assemble a more embarrassing bunch of helpless hitters. It’s really astonishing just how bad BC is at his job.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

In retrospect, the decision to NOT deal Bell at same time as Marte (or at least at the 2020 restart) should’ve been alarm “Bells”. #1 that he didn’t attempt to extract full value when the allure of Bell’s 2019 first half still lingered. #2 that he was willing to just let things draaaaaaag on. #3 that I thought of while typing this, upon keeping Bell, that we weren’t going to actually see positive trends in them “unlocking” player’s talent.

I actually created a quick spreadsheet earlier. Took all minor league players with at least 20 PA’s this season (I ended up with about 45 prospects) and logged their current wRC+. I then logged their 2021 wRC+ and created columns of the difference, along with percentage change. Very SSS, but, it was sad how few players have a positive change this season. Let alone maintaining their previous season’s production. So sad I then deleted it lol

Wilbur Miller

I’ve spent the last couple days, off and on, trying to think of something BC has done well, and I can’t. Nearly the entire farm system has taken a step back. The spectacle of pitchers going elsewhere and immediately getting far better has continued. They have yet to develop a non-terrible SP. BC’s waiver claims have undermined the few relievers who’ve performed well. The defense this year has gone backward. The hitting at the ML level may have been the worst in team history for a stretch this long. His first draft is looking like a fiasco. We can’t tell much about the ballyhooed second draft because all the key guys except Davis are at Pirate City, but given the poor play throughout the system so far, I’m having trouble looking forward to seeing them. The FO and staff have shown zero ability to transition prospects to the majors. They haven’t come up with a single good position player other than guys they inherited, unless you want to count Vogelbach, except of course he can’t play a position. Shelton imo is the team’s worst manager since Lamont.

More and more, I’m reaching the conclusion that BC is shockingly incompetent.

TNBucs

What is most depressing to me is that Cherington heaped praise on Shelton after last season despite the team just finishing the worst two-year stretch since the early ’50’s. Of course Shelton has returned the favor by repeatedly citing how innovative the organization is under Cherington despite no evidence that we’ve gotten any better at developing players.

And given that Williams is not a baseball guy, I don’t think there will be any accountability from above Cherington. Maybe if the local media start raising questions, Williams or Nutting will feel some pressure to make a change. But to this point the local media seem to still be in their honeymoon phase with Cherington.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I’m feeling he’s more of a Dombrowski, whose obvious flaws are hidden by the ability to spend freely. They got the dumbed down version of Jim Rutherford, but without the existing competent roster.

1979andCounting

He got a guaranteed 6-year deal from Nutting that is allowing all of the above. Kids that are far far away from the show. No urgency. Of course, they don’t even have the transparency that most (all) other teams have to disclose what his deal is.

skliesen

I’m old enough to remember when the Pirates got a hit.

PirateRican21

Myth, pure myth.

chappy

Does anybody ever mention to these players before they take the field that these teams are actually behind us in the standings???

steve_zielinski

I read an article about Phil Mickelson and, when I looked at the score, the Pirates were down 8-0.

PirateRican21

This is why I don’t read, is it on video?

jon6er

That will teach you to read articles about Phil Mickelson, lol.

jeffw3000

How long was the article? One paragraph?

chappy

I love tuning in to find out the game is over in the 1st. Fun!

jon6er

I hope I don’t get company or I’ll have to explain why I have this paper bag over my head😁

1979andCounting

Peter’s and Wilson……classic regression to the mean.

TNBucs

I’m afraid they regressed to the mean and then just kept on going to the other side of the mean.

jon6er

I grimace everytime I hear these broadcasters lay all that adulation on Peters.

phieralph

Lol holy $#@+

PiratePrimate

This is very impressive. It’s hard to field a team this bad unless you don’t have any money. Oh, yeah, that explains it.

hoffmark83

Umm, they do have money. They just don’t spend it.

Wilbur Miller

Is it my imagination or does Bryse Wilson suck?

I shudder to think how many runs Tyler Beede is going to give up.

hoffmark83

The whole team sucks!

skliesen

Ever see the movie “The Cooler” with William Macy starring as The Cooler?

Bob Nutting is MLB version of The Cooler. Everyone who comes to play for him has their luck change for the worse.

docdon385

You honestly think this level of incompetence has anything to do with luck?

1979andCounting

Lol…..gonna have to find that movie! I can see william Macy in such a role!

PirateRican21

Fun movie. I saw him and his wife having dinner at a little Thai place in Santa Monica (I was there before him, so no stalking!).

steve_zielinski

He might have been stalking you!

skliesen

Only 17 more runs to go for the Cubbies

skliesen

Check that 13 more runs.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

And here I thought this lineup looked interesting enough to watch this game, with no MiLB tonight.

skliesen

This looks like 21-0 Part II to me.

BTW, color me impressed you’re Double A already. People love you obviously.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

It’s quantity over quality. I just post a lot of comments. Mostly in minor league game thread lol

phieralph

Shelton started warming up Wilson 4 pitches into Peter’s start… I don’t get it. I mean, hindsight is 20/20, Peters is getting beat up rn. But why start Peters if you’re going to take him out immediately?

PirateRican21

The Cubs’ line up is predominantly right handed, Wilson should’ve started. Then again they both suck.

zebug

That was the plan.. Peters was only pitching 1 inning no matter what.

Stephen B

Castillo on the bench again. Seems he’s fallen out of favor lately – only 1 start in the OF and one at SS in the last 5 games – and he was pulled from one of those for VanMeter.

Is he hurt?

HeyFred

Well he might be pitching mop up again later….maybe around the 4th inning or so.

jon6er

Well you can’t sit Yoshi against a left hander……😆

jeffw3000

Yoshi actually has reverse splits throughout career. He has always hit lefties better than righties.

PirateRican21

Volgebach is horrible against lefties, he should have sat. Is a bad team no matter how you cut it, so it is what it is.

jeffw3000

I agree. Vogelbach has been decent, but he sucks against lefties. He should never start against a lefty.

skliesen

I’m going to go out on a limb and GUARANTEE the Pirates get more hits tonight than yesterday.

Unfortunately can’t make that same guarantee about runs though. We are talking about the Pirates bats after all.

PirateRican21

Guarantee that the Cubs will have more runs than Pirates hit, I’m cheating a bit…..

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