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Pirates Discussion: Make It Six

The Pittsburgh Pirates don’t win many games, but they’ve really enjoyed playing the Cincinnati Reds of late.

Tuesday evening they took their sixth straight victory against the Reds. If only they could play them every day.

Mitch Keller started and didn’t have his best stuff, but still battled through five innings. With two outs and runners on second and third in the first inning, Keller unleashed a wild pitch (I’m not even sure should have been a wild pitch) that allowed the games first run to score. He battled through five innings, throwing 97 pitches with 57 of them going for strikes. The run in the first inning was the only blemish against Keller, who finished with five hits, two hit by pitches, three walks, and five strikeouts to go with the one earned run in five innings. He induced six groundouts to two flyouts with an average exit velocity of 80.1 MPH.

In the third inning the Pirates pushed across an unearned run to tie the game. Ji-Hwan Bae lead off the inning from a hit by pitch before moving to third on a fielding error that put Oneil Cruz on first. Bryan Reynolds then hit into a double play to score Bae.

After a handful of zeros the Pirates got on the board again in the seventh. Bases loaded and one out brought new acquisition Miguel Andujar to the plate. He lifted a 105.2 MPH double to the left center wall — which he appeared to think was gone — and emptied the bases for a 4-1 lead.

That would be all the offense the Pirates needed on this night as the bullpen combined for four shutout innings to finalize the 4-1 victory.

Wil Crowe was able to get through two innings allowing only a hit to go with two strike outs. Duane Underwood Jr. pitched a hitless eighth with a strike out.

David Bednar finally made a ninth inning appearance for a save opportunity since returning and had a 1-2-3 inning with two strike outs. It was his 18th save of the season.

Reds @ Pirates

Time: 12:35 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Bryse Wilson (3-9, 5.95)

Reds Starter: Luis Cessa (4-4, 4.78)

Wilson Notes: This will be Bryse Wilson’s 20th start of the season which can probably be best described as the 2022 version of 2021 Wil Crowe. Crowe made 25 starts in 2021 with a 5.48 ERA covering 116.2 IP. Wilson has also managed to cover innings while not necessarily being very effective. In his previous start he went five innings against the Chicago Cubs allowing only two earned runs.

LINEUPS:

Pirates

Reds

1. TJ Friedl (L) LF
2. Spencer Steer (R) 3B
3. Kyle Farmer (R) DH
4. Jake Fraley (L) RF
5. Stuart Fairchild (R) CF
6. Alejo Lopez (S) 2B
7. Matt Reynolds (R) 1B
8. Jose Barrero (R) SS
9. Chuckie Robinson (R) C

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Raised in Cranberry Twp, PA, Jeff attended Kent State University and worked in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, before moving to New Orleans in September of 2012. His background is as an Engineering Designer, but he has always had a near unhealthy passion for Pittsburgh sports. Hockey and Baseball are his 1A and 1B, combined with his mathematical background, it's led to Jeff's desire in diving into analytics. Jeff is known as Bucs'N'Pucks in the comments, and began writing for Pirates Prospects in 2022 after contributing so many useful bits of information in the comment section.

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Wilbur Miller

Just realized, if the Pirates beat the Reds out for 4th, their shot at the top draft pick drops by 3 % points. And since they won the season’s series, they “win” a tiebreaker.

Well, whatever. They need to win some games, convince themselves that they’re not the Washington Generals. It’s especially vital for the rotation to keep doing well.

Last edited 2 months ago by Wilbur Miller
mpg43952

Hidden vigorish! Could we sneak in to the top? Or bottom?

Last edited 2 months ago by mpg43952
AdministrativeSky236

I do agree that building some momentum to end the season has more value than marginally improved draft order odds

Wilbur Miller

It’s kinda easy to say that the players are trying but mgmt isn’t. That’s true, but I think there’s a cost to playing in an environment where you’re not expected to win and where failure is A-OK. There’s more to it than just hustle. Winning teams have focus and confidence that the Pirates lack.

roberto

Agreed. It makes free agency even more complicated. You want players who are talented and need to win.

Wilbur Miller

I’d really like to get Q back.

Wilbur Miller

Wow, just checked what he’s doing in StL. Guy’s gonna get paid.

mpg43952

Need to find the next Q. That’s how Ben rolls.

Wilbur Miller

But Q is too perfect. Apart from the performance, he seemed really into acting as mentor to all these young starters. I’m not generally into the veteran presence thing, but you have to wonder if he didn’t play a role in the fact that the rotation was the one area where the team made serious progress during the season. And you look at the young guys already in Pgh and headed there soon — Ro, Ortiz, Oviedo, Priester, Burrows. For once, a proven commodity would be nice.

PirateRican21

Wilbur Miller

Apparently, that’s Newman’s seventh career walkoff. I wouldn’t have guessed he’d have that many. Probably shows the advantage of making contact in the late innings.

I know Nickels isn’t going to pay Newman an arb2 salary, but I’d prefer it if he’d stay.

Catch_22

He had a bunch his rookie year.

I mean, they have to retain Newman. Who plays SS when they decide to move Cruz to the OF?

robertkasperski

Me! I’m old, I’m slow, would need a cut off man to get the ball to first and most of all, my hitting skills would make Collins look like a league MVP. i check every box !!  😂  😂  😂 

PirateRican21

Carlos Correa?

Wilbur Miller

VanMeter

ArkyWags

Correa. Or Boegarts.

robertkasperski

Woo Hooooo!! Kevin probably never thought that he would have another chance to extend the hitting streak. DeJong ruined Wilson’s day but made Newman’s day 🙂

ricramer

Thank you Mr. Newman.

bucsws2014

C’mon Newman, it’s your time.

bucsws2014

He’s worth keeping. Late inning defensive replacement also means he gets to bat in extras, right?

Iowasteel

Well, at least DeJong didn’t vulture the win. That would have pissed me off.

bucsws2014

7 of the 20 ERs given up by DeJong have been in his two blown saves.

Seems a pretty useful guy any other time in the game except the 9th with a lead.

Last edited 2 months ago by bucsws2014
Wilbur Miller

Once he finds out something a player can’t do, Dumbo focuses like a laser on having him try to do just that at every opportunity.

Catch_22

Honestly, what are the alternatives? Bednar coming off injury and pitched last night. Crowe pitched 2 innings last night and DUJ pitched last night. I suppose an argument could be made for Stephenson, but if he blows the game like DeJong it would still be Shelton’s fault.

robertkasperski

If only Holderman and Yerry were healthy….. Something to look forward to next season. Crowe did well in his comfort zone last too. Some guys tense up and can’t pitch the same in the 8th and 9th as they do in earlier innings even if it is the same guys up. They try to do more than they are capable of.

Catch_22

I remember Yerry being used in leverage and it seemed to never end well.

Wilbur Miller

Leave Wilson in. And, yeah, a very good argument can be made for Stephenson. Or even Ramirez.

The complete bullpen meltdown we’ve seen the last couple months is a team effort. By itself it shows the GM and mgr have no business in their roles.

Last edited 2 months ago by Wilbur Miller
Catch_22

Wilson was at 90. I don’t know how many times he’s went beyond 90. Shelton may very well be bad at what he does, but I can’t judge with the talent he has to manage. This is on the GM for not putting together a competent roster.

Catch_22

Long Relief is his gig. Anything non-leverage. He just doesn’t have the stuff to pitch in the back of a pen. He’s a replacement arm

ricramer

WTF?!?

docdon385

Good grief. The bull pens strikes again. Thanks Shelton.

mikeschalke

How about blaming DeJong for grooving a couple pitches.

Catch_22

More like thanks Cherington & DeJong

Iowasteel

Not surprised they took Wilson out, but it would have been nice to see him go for the complete game shutout it didn’t take long for the bullpen to blow it.

PirateRican21

Sorry, but…

ArkyWags

What a hump.

Wilbur Miller

And another genius move by Dumbo.

Wilbur Miller

Holy crap, it’s like Dumbo plans to blow leads. And having accomplished that, he leaves De Jong in to make sure the game is blown, too.

Last edited 2 months ago by Wilbur Miller
PirateRican21

Well the barometric pressure was dropping and is a Wednesday day game so there’s no way he was gonna keep Wilson in.

bucsws2014

Didn’t even notice Gamel was at 1b. If he was capable of that, why not earlier in year?

Wilbur Miller

Really, think about this. All year long Dumbo kept playing obviously useless players at first, which is why the Pirates have gotten historically bad production (bottom five of all time by WAR) from there. They made little noises about Gamel playing there, but instead kept him in the OF when they had younger outfielders who, unlike Gamel, might be around next year. Now, they’ve just acquired a guy who might have a future with them at 1B, while Gamel is just over a week away from free agency. So NOW Dumbo finally puts Gamel at first, and won’t play Andujar there. The idiocy is off the charts.

PirateRican21

The last sentence was the head scratcher for me, Gamel at 1 b, Andujar in LF?

Wilbur Miller

There’s no VM to protect any more.

bucsws2014

Stephen Brault lives on in Pirates annals another day.

mpg43952

We wore him out!

ArkyWags

Cal Mitchell is…not very good.

bucsws2014

Gotta be rough on the ego for a 40 speed rook to be pinch run by a 30 speed rook.

PirateRican21

Fangraphs is not always accurate.

Wilbur Miller

Statcast rates Suwinski with 86th percentile speed.

bucsws2014

I went over and checked Mitchell. 23rd percentile.

That’s 1b speed. What’s he doing in OF?

So, how did scouts miss by so much on both?

Wilbur Miller

They didn’t. He was always considered bat-only.

AdministrativeSky236

And I do really still believe in his bat to provide value

James_Robert5

It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last

Iowasteel

60 pitches to get through 6 innings with 5Ks and 1 walk. Who is this guy? On the down side, the 2 hits he allowed were to a shortstop who strikes out 50% of the time.
If they hold this lead, they are 1 game behind the Reds. Avoid last place!!!

Wilbur Miller

Well, now it’s 7 IP and 74 pitches. Hell, see if he can finish it.

bucsws2014

If he didn’t hit Solano, I think DS might’ve sent him back out.

Wilbur Miller

Crap, they’ve stuck with him through all sorts of struggles, then he gets a chance at a CG and out he goes.

chappy

Had to involve the bullpen!

Wilbur Miller

Dumbo’s ability to blow games is as unparalleled as Cheringtoon’s ability to find sub-.050 hitters.

Shultzie31

Wish we could get a few runs for our other SPs not named Bryce Wilson …

Shultzie31

That said even worse when the bullpen inevitably blows whoever’s gem

Wilbur Miller

Yeah, that was a great catch.

PirateRican21

Just watched the 3 balks called on the Marlins pitcher in last night game, so happy it wasn’t one of our guys.

Wilbur Miller

That’s Andy-LaRoche-baserunning level wackiness.

PirateRican21

Seems to be a good one too! He had a change, did it morphed to this?

Wilbur Miller

I’m guessing the Reds have a lot to do with this.

robertkasperski

Reds most likely helping the cause but 6 innings and only 60 pitches…… Maybe he just needed some confidence to use the spitter er splitter. Even if he ends up in the pen could be a good middle guy if he can command that pitch consistently for 2 innings a game 🙂

Anthony

CONFIDENCE, this is an interesting word for this year’s group. Being continuously challenged, put in uncomfortable positions, outside of one’s comfort zone, dealing with adversity, not always being set up for success, learning how to deal with change, readiness and preparation, facing fears, etc. Seems like a development theme, particularly at the MLB level under this FO. A reminder to all that just focus on results, this IS how growth happens for most of us. In a part of the process were wins and losses DON’T matter, which also DOESN’T mean losing is acceptable, I would keep this in perspective instead of consistently banging your collective heads against the wall.

b mcferren

we have a good team

b mcferren
Last edited 2 months ago by b mcferren
TNBucs

Andujar making a pretty good first impression in a Pirates uni.

b mcferren

#DomincanMagic

this team is building some chemistry amongst the guys from the domincan

here’s for bring Sano into the fold

robertkasperski

Is said chemistry capable of keeping Sano healthy and on the field???

TNBucs

It does make me wonder if having a core of Dominican players helps all of them relax and perform better. In the not-too-distant future we could start a DR pitcher (Roansy or Ortiz) along with Cruz, Castro, Endy, Peguero, and Andujar if everything goes right (it won’t, but I can imagine). We might have to go back to the ’70’s to find a Pirates team with that kind of Latin American presence.

Last edited 2 months ago by TNBucs
robertkasperski

Very small sample size but have to like the RH power.

b mcferren

what he’s done the past three days show me that its clear this dude is going to be a super star

.330avg 50+ hr and 100+ rbi annually

docdon385

You talking Andujar? Where do you get your optimism pills? You might want to temper those expectations just a bit.

JimEastTennessee

Beach front property 20K per acre 😉

Wilbur Miller

You can even get stucco. Oh, how you can get stucco.

JimEastTennessee

BUT, maybe all he needed was to get healthy, and not have to “live up” to pinstripe-hype?

JimEastTennessee

What do you do with Wilson after today ?

JimEastTennessee

bucsws2014

Gets another start vs Cards.

Wilbur Miller

He’s got one more start, this time against major leaguers. Curious to see how that goes.

PirateRican21

See what he does in 5 days against the Cards.

robertkasperski

Maybe just knowing he will get playing time and not sent away for a mistake is what he needs. Yanks bounced him in and out of NY a ton after he came back from the injury

robertkasperski

Thoughts and prayers to anyone here who lives in Florida or with loved ones who live in Florida. Hope all are safe and sound.

Wilbur Miller

Well, I’m sitting in a hotel room with no power. I think my house still has power. May go back there tonight. Got three very unhappy cats who just want to be home.

It’s gonna land south of here. Once it does, it’s supposed to wind down to category 1 by tomorrow morning. Bradenton is missing the worst of it. We spent days hoping it’d stay out in the Gulf west of us. Instead it’s passing to the east. For some bizarre reason, the Tampa Bay area sees to repel hurricanes.

Last edited 2 months ago by Wilbur Miller
robertkasperski

Glad you are safe….well until the cats finish plotting your demise. My youngest feels your pain. She has 3 cats and not one of them would be happy either, They all need to be in their home with you there to feed them.

Wilbur Miller

The real miracle is Anna Maria Island. It’s about half a millimeter above sea level and most houses out there are built to withstand maybe a 75-yr-old grandma sneezing. I thought this one might be the end of the place, but it appears not. They seem to be a slippery target.

robertkasperski

Maybe grandma sneezed and it pushed Ian away 🙂

docdon385

Appreciate it. My daughter and her husband had to evacuate from the St. Pete area and are riding it out inland but had to leave a lot behind of course. It’s not looking good for the whole area at the moment, but just have to wait and see.

robertkasperski

Glad that your daughter and husband seem safe and hope when they return home all will be well

Iowasteel

It’s not as bad here as it looked like it might be yesterday morning. Storm center hit south of Bradenton by about 70 miles. It’s windy (maybe 40 headed to 50 mph). and raining hard off and on, but as of 1:30 I still have power. Pirate City was evacuated ( it sits not too far from the Braden River). Wilbur lives down here. I don’t know if he stuck it out or not.

Last edited 2 months ago by Iowasteel
robertkasperski

Glad you are well!

joebaseball

Any update on the status of Pirates facilities in Bradenton with Storm in area?

b mcferren

anybody find details yet on how to stream the Arizona fall league games?

robertkasperski

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john_fluharty

Wondering if he came become an effective bullpen arm in the future. I think we should give that a try next season.

PirateRican21

Can Wilson keep his ERA below 6?

Wilbur Miller

Sure. He’s genetically programmed for 5.9.

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