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Pirates Discussion: Bandbox Benefactor

Bryse Wilson wasn’t great, but he was effective. Which is really the best you can ask for.

Wilson was able to hold the Cincinnati Reds to three earned runs across 5.2 IP. The third run came on a groundball hit just to the right side of second base where Kevin Newman fielded it and probably should’ve been able to get the third out, but lost the ball in transition allowing a run to score. Overall Wilson did what he does best, which is pitch to contact and hope for the best. He recorded four strike outs to go along with seven hits and two walks.

The Pittsburgh Pirates offense was mostly powered by the rookies again to give Wilson his third win of the season.

In the first inning Bryan Reynolds took the first pitch he saw and deposited it into left field for a 1-0 lead for his team leading 22nd HR of the season.

Bryse Wilson gave up a two-run HR to Aristides Aquino in the bottom of the fourth to flip the score to 2-1.

As stated, the rookies weren’t going to have it. After leading off the fifth inning with two singles, Rocking Rodolfo Castro went yard for his eighth HR of the campaign to give the Pirates the lead back. Then, with Ke’Bryan Hayes on base by way of an error and with two outs, Diego Castillo celebrated his return with a two-run HR and 6-2 lead, his 11th in the MLB this season.

After Wilson gave up the third run in the sixth to make it 6-3, Robert Stephenson came in to get the final out. Stephenson came back out for the seventh and struck out all three batters he faced on 13 pitches.

Wil Crowe pitched the 8th inning and put two runners on after getting two outs, but got the fifth batter of the inning to ground out on one pitch. After the Pirates offense put up their fourth goose egg following the five-run fifth inning, Crowe came back out for another inning.

It started off about as well as all the other times a reliever is left in for a second inning, with the first two runners reaching base. Luckily this time Crowe was able to work around it, and retired the next three batters for a 6-3 victory and his fourth save of the season.

Minor shoutout to Cal Mitchell who entered as a pinch hitter for Castillo in the seventh and finished 1-for-1 with a walk. He’s now six for his last seven with three walks to one strikeout.

Pirates @ Reds

Game One Time: 12:35 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Johan Oviedo (2-2, 3.90)

Reds Starter: TBD

Oviedo Notes: This will be Johan Oviedo’s third start for the Pirates and so far it hasn’t gone very well. In his two starts so far he’s given up four earned runs in a combined 4.2 IP. He’s given up only three hits to go with six strike outs, but the killer has been the eight walks he’s issued. Justice de los Santos mentioned that Oviedo had been working on a new fastball grip, so hopefully that explains some of the issues and he sees a step forward on Tuesday.

Game Two Time: 6:40 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Luis Ortiz (0-0, 0.00)

Reds Starter: TBD

Ortiz Notes: This will be Luis Ortiz’s MLB debut. Ortiz was signed in October of 2018 and has a 5-9 record with a 4.56 ERA across two levels this season. His numbers may not show it on the surface but he is a big kid — listed 6’2″ and 240 lbs on MiLB page — with big stuff, reaching 100 MPH recently in the minors.

UPDATE: Collins up, Marcano down, Madris really down

GAME ONE LINEUPS:

Pirates

Reds

1. TJ Friedl (L) DH
2. Jonathan India (R) 2B
3. Kyle Farmer (R) 3B
4. Jake Fraley (L) LF
5. Aristides Aquino (R) RF
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. Spencer Steer (R) 1B
8. Jose Barrero (R) SS
9. Austin Romine (R) C

GAME TWO LINEUPS:

Pirates

Reds

Once Ortiz and Collins debut, the Pirates will tie their team record for most players used in a season. Way back in 2021, they used 64 players, which has stood the test of time until now.

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Raised in Cranberry Twp, PA, Jeff attended Kent State University and worked in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, before moving to New Orleans in September of 2012. His background is as an Engineering Designer, but he has always had a near unhealthy passion for Pittsburgh sports. Hockey and Baseball are his 1A and 1B, combined with his mathematical background, it's led to Jeff's desire in diving into analytics. Jeff is known as Bucs'N'Pucks in the comments, and began writing for Pirates Prospects in 2022 after contributing so many useful bits of information in the comment section.

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Catch_22

Ortiz is who we thought Yean would be.

robertkasperski

Considering Eddy is still only 21, who knows how he will still develop. Maybe in 2024 he will be doing what Ortiz is doing now when he turns 23 like Ortiz is now.

Wilbur Miller

Dejan’s site had an article about Cal in which he referred to “battling” FO decisions. An anonymous player also said it was messing with their heads. (It’s especially easy to understand with Mitchell. He was raking consistently in AAA and Jack was struggling, but Jack got the first callup. There’s a cost when your decisions bear zero relationship to actual performance.)

On a larger scale, it made me think of June, when they were finally showing signs of life. Then all the dead weight came back from the IL, Cheringtoon sent the younger guys down, and the enthusiasm died.

So now, Ortiz has to go down. (I dunno, maybe they’ll surprise us.). This FO doesn’t seem to understand that rebuilding isn’t just “scheduling” everything weeks or months in advance. Baseball is unpredictable, development is very unpredictable. Sometimes there’s value in taking advantage of the moment. And they just had a moment.

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TNBucs

Whether the FO is right or wrong with how and when they’ve shuttled prospects back-and-forth (I think they were right on some and wrong on others), it’s very understandable how frustrating that would be on a player trying to get established. I am a little forgiving of the FO because they had so many similar types to give opportunities to, but I certainly empathize with the players who are justified in their belief that they could outproduce players in front of them if given the chance.

For Cal, Id’ say he has two reasonable beefs–one with Suwinksi being called up before him despite Cal being clearly better in every statistical category and, two, seeing Gamel get priority when Gamel is replacement level, about to be a FA, and has a sub-700 OPS since July 1. Basically Gamel had a very good May, a decent August, and was terrible in April (629 OPS), July (580 OPS), and so far in September (570 OPS). How does a front office make the case of “no scholarships” when they keep running out AAAA players instead of giving opportunities to others?

NMR

lol, the millennial mindset.

Cal’s gonna have a rude fuckin awakening the first time he slumps and some snotnosed prospect on a heater in AAA is complaining that he’s not cut.

TNBucs

Harsh world when a kid can’t acknowledge battling something without being told to be quiet and just go about your business.

NMR

I’m just sick of validating every grievance some kid decides they’re “battling”. Big leaguers will not give two shits about what Cal is “battling”. You’ve gotta build insane mental toughness to succeed in this game.

I do ultimately blame Cherington and Baker for cultivating such a disastrously selfish culture of entitlement.

I just simply can’t wrap my head around being barely 23 years old, producing exactly one half of a good season in five professional years of baseball, getting handed two big league opportunities, and then bitching about outside factors. Just f*ckin hit, man.

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Anthony

LAST PARAGRAPH

TNBucs

There’s no evidence he was bitching, he was just being honest that it has been a challenge. Nothing wrong with that unless we just want players to speak in cliches. I give Mitchell credit for expressing how he feels.

PirateRican21

Thank you, this kids now knows how to run a front office!

1979andCounting

Nailed it about the month of June. But we know Bob is not going to DFA and eat existing contracts. Polanco and Yoshi were like pulling teeth to release. Eating a few more million $ is just not in BN’s genes. And so we had excitement and winning nipped in the bud.

Anthony

Sounds like a great learning opportunity for these guys to stop worrying about things they can’t control.

Reminds me of a tee-shirt I saw at the gym yesterday, “no one cares, work harder” LOL

Catch_22

When I see anonymous source, I don’t take it seriously. Click bait bs

TNBucs

Cal wasn’t being anonymous, and would you expect a player who feels like the FO is already “messing with their heads” to not be anonymous? Or maybe you just want to believe people like Greg Brown when they talk about how wonderful this administration is because every time they ask a player on camera to talk about Shelton or the FO, they reply in positive ways (as if…)?

Catch_22

Coming into the season Cal was the 37th ranked prospect, with a FV of 40.

Now, after his initial taste of the Show didn’t go well, he becomes self entitled?

Opportunities are earned. Cal went back to AAA, work on his craft and is now back up with the big club.

I’m certainly not a fan of Cherington. imo, he’s an extremely flawed GM and there’s lots of areas for criticism, but his handling of marginal prospects is not one of them.

NMR

yes clearly Catch is a schill for the Cherrington administration.

christ almighty.

Catch_22

These guys and their unconditional faith in marginal prospects is reaching new heights.

Thing is, I like Cal, I like TN…I just don’t know what the end game is here. I’m guessing, if Cal or Diego, or Marcano, or Suwinski don’t make it, It’ll be Ben’s fault. I mean, we’re talking about mind games, not talent or lack thereof.

TNBucs

“if Cal or Diego, or Marcano, or Suwinski don’t make it, It’ll be Ben’s fault”

Wasn’t Neal blamed for similar failures? Shouldn’t Ben be held to the same standard, especially with the latter three who are players he targeted in trades? I think Cal and one of the others will become useful players (I’m still pretty high on Suwinski), so I’m not judging Ben yet. I’m just tired of hearing excuses from him and for him (not from you but some media personnel) as to why we’re still a bottom-three team in year three of his build.

NMR

No, Neal did not.

Neal didn’t get fired because Stephen Alemais and Kevin Kramer and Will Craig and Pedro Ciriaco failed to reach their upside of bench bats. He got fired for failing to max out potential of high end, impact prospects who went on to succeed elsewhere.

The Micthell’s of the prospect world are longshots to begin with. Blame Cherington for acquiring so many redundant, marginal pieces but not for failing to max out every one. It just doesn’t happen, for any GM alive.

TNBucs

While Mitchell had been a bit of a disappointment, he was a second-round selection that was praised at the time for his upside as a high schooler with a sweet swing. He seems to be just the type of guy that Huntington was criticized for not developing, though much of the criticism seemed focused on pitchers.

TNBucs

My point is only that I can understand Cal’s frustration, first with Suwinski getting the recall before he did (if he was frustrated by that at all) and second for their continued playing of Gamel who is the definition of a AAAA player (0.1 WAR). I think the FO was right in sending Mitchell down, but wrong in calling Suwinski up before Cal (and their performance since their return is justifying that). I’m sure this is typical of prospects with many organizations–it’s why we’ve often heard young players express excitement about coming to the Pirates because they’ll finally get an opportunity.

Also, Cal is better than a marginal prospect.

NMR

No, he is not.

Catch_22

I could be wrong here, but I think Ortiz was the 27th or 28th man for the DH and has to go down for 15 days.

TNBucs

Rosters in September are at 28 but I think he was the 29th man and did need to go back down. The 15 days may be irrelevant, though, due to the AAA season ending before then.

Catch_22

Yeah man, there’s too much gray areas on this one for me. I thought if he was the 29th man, he had to stay down regardless of sept rosters. Injury might be the exception, but I’m really not sure.

ironmike56

Now that was refreshing…….and a great post game interview by the young man to top off his one hit debut.

Meanwhile Endy is up to .365 and sporting a 1.167 OPS at Altoona.

Big jump for both these guys from where they stood in prospect pool before the season.

robertkasperski

I know it was only 5 2/3 innings but this is me thinking about Ortiz being Roansy 2.0 :

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PirateRican21

Hmmm, if he did this against the Braves, blue jays, etc….maybe. But let’s be honest, that was barely a big league club out there……

skliesen

Fair point, but did you see the stuff?!!! That FB/Slider combo will play against everyone.

Definitely needs a better 3rd pitch to be an Ace, but just as important, he has the mindset to succeed.

I say don’t sell the kid short.

PirateRican21

About two months ago on a prospect watch tread I posted a Happy Ortiz day post and I claimed it will be a thing, in other words I’m a big fan of this kid, I’m very happy with his game last night and hope he take the next big step. But that line up last night didn’t have one regular in it, just saying that I would’ve love to see him pitch against a competent line up, not one full of bench players and AAAA players.

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Anthony

At a minimum, you have an exciting bullpen arm with those two pitches.

I must say tho, the arm action is a bit scary. He looks like he puts a ton of stress on his elbow, especially with how hard he throws.

Wilbur Miller

Look how long a process it’s been with Keller. Also, don’t forget that Ortiz went the entire way through full season ball in under two years. The question isn’t where he is now, it’s where he can be in a year or two if they show some sense.

robertkasperski

Just daring to dream……

PirateRican21

Part of the being a Pirates fan gig!

bucsws2014

Was expecting the 2 run walkoff jack there, but good job DUJ.

PirateRican21

bucsws2014

Oh crap, we’re trusting DUJ for this?

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Wilbur Miller

“Trust” isn’t a word to use in connection with this bullpen.

Shultzie31

Can’t be winning all these games and miss that top pick percentage!

1979andCounting

Jack to LF, Allen to RF. I don’t want Cal out there in the 9th. Beede to close in 9th. I love a 1-0 game…….but manager strategy is magnified.

bucsws2014

Close. Jack to RF, Allen to LF.

NMR

I would legit entrust 1979 to be the manager of the Pittsburgh Baseball Club.

1979andCounting

Lol! Thanks man……my dream job!

NMR

Look forward to your game thread commentary more than any others!

TNBucs

If between the two starters today we get a competent 4th starter in our rotation next year, that would be great. Perhaps the other becomes a reliable back-of-the-pen guy. Sign a guy like Anderson or Quintana, let Keller, Contreras, and Brubaker fill in behind the veteran acquisition, and then have a competition for the final spot…there’s some potential there.

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Shultzie31

Sounding like Lou brown 🤣

bucsws2014

Cruz would’ve had that w/o leaping 😁

Shultzie31

Question, since Ortiz was the extra man he won’t be optioned correct? Obviously has to stay on the 40 but won’t burn an option year if they send him back?

Wilbur Miller

It’ll burn an option if he’s down for 20 days. Not sure there are 20 days left in the season, though.

bucsws2014

24 days left. Season ends 10/5.

Shultzie31

Thanks. Guy has earned another one. Send down one of those chumps in the pen

jon6er

Ortiz has to go down but he can come back anytime with someone else going down. But he wouldn’t be rested to pitch till at least Sunday against the Mets. Good test against a team fight for division title.

SBRO

This is true – as an extra guy for a doubleheader he doesn’t have to wait 15 days or for someone else to go on the IL.

I’d like to see him one more time if possible.

jon6er

I just read that he does have to wait the 15 days unless someone goes on IL or is moved to sixty day because he was put on the 40 man prior to game one, lol.

SBRO

wait, does it matter? I thought the extra guy exception was for the DAY of the doubleheader, not for a specific game. If that’s the case, then 1) it’s a stupid rule, and 2) it’s stupid that the front office didn’t know it.

Not that it matters. Ortiz shouldn’t still be shuttling back and forth between Pittsburgh and Indy in 2025. But still…

Shultzie31

What a start! Well done. Looking forward to seeing this kid some more

TNBucs

Castro has taken the lead in Pirates’ rookie OPS.

jon6er

Lets hope he’s one of those players who just needed the bigger stage for it too click.

jon6er

Well I was referring to hoping he might find the consistency up here like Roansy. Maybe ‘click’ was the wrong word.

ironmike56

I thought Ortiz and Peguero were the most impressive guys to see in person on the Altoona roster, although I admit missing Priester every trip.

jon6er

Shelton almost guaranteeing Ortiz a loss and Brown and Walk acting like he’s doing him a favor!

TNBucs

Why the praise? (I can’t watch because of MLB’s blackout rules.) Shelton loves attention on himself, but in this case it seems reasonable given Ortiz’s pitch counts in recent outings.

jon6er

Very glad to be wrong. Good job Chase.

AdministrativeSky236

Any run downs on what we are seeing from ortiz so far?

bucsws2014

67% strikes. He was >73% after 4 innings, so filling the zone until the 5th inning walks. Topped 100 at least 5x.

AdministrativeSky236

Electric stuff! If he can throw strikes, feels like his floor would be a high leverage pen arm with hope for a starter

NMR

Fringey secondaries tho…

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skliesen

The slider didn’t look fringy to me.

Anthony

Secondar(ies)…he doesn’t really have them. It’s just a primary and a secondary.

NMR

Bingo.

James_Robert5

Agree

docdon385

By replacing Suwinski, Chavis and Hayes with Allen, Collins and Newman, the Pirates replaced 37 HR and 110 RBI with 7 HR and 35 RBI. What could possibly go wrong with that plan? Ortiz has pitched great and needs a few runs. Having him debut with this lineup behind him is just plain unfair.

bucsws2014

Allen was batting .400 something for September coming into today, so at least he’s hot.

ironmike56

Walk is pretty animated for a change, describing Ortiz outing as seeing a starter with closer stuff….

James_Robert5

Nice to see the good version of Ortiz so far

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?gamePk=663106

James_Robert5
PirateRican21

Are we getting no hit? ( there I talked about it.)

PirateRican21

Hahaha! Sorry, I’m watching the game about 10 minutes behind on purpose (missed the start of the game!)

1979andCounting

Wow, this is impressive. I’m at least encouraged that we actually have some real pitching prospects besides Priester and Burrows.

Anthony

Tempering of the expectations, someone needs to do it, thanks Jeff

forkball

Just adding on the Cruz at shortstop debate. He is certainly erratic at this point, but he has already shown that he can do things there that others can’t. One of his first games that I saw, he caught a throw that no other SS could possibly reach. I’ve seen him run farther to catch a ball than any other could. And, finally, I’ve seen him throw out runners that others could not. That all said, I think we should give him more time to handle that position…

NMR

You handwaive the fact that consistency is *the* defining factor that separates dozens and dozens and dozens of exceptionally talented minor leaguers from good big leaguers.

Nobody who watches him as a minor leaguer doubted he can make the plays, only that he doesn’t do it consistently enough. It was so bad early this year that he was unplayable, at which point he tightened up his game enough to earn the call up where his consistency has merely been bad, as evidenced by the fact that he’s still cost the team more outs than he’s saved.

NMR

It’s remarkably similar to his offense.

Absolutely nobody doubts he can hit the ball to fuckin Blawnox. Only whether or not he has the discipline to be consistent enough for the amazing parts to outweigh the bad.

1979andCounting

I don’t think there’s much debate. He’s staying at SS as far as my crystal ball can see.

bucsws2014

#extendortiz

skliesen

Ortiz may need to be added in as potential member of the OD roster…then sent down to supposedly manage workload or some other BS until Super 2 concerns pass.

NMR

This game is the embodiment of why you always hear not to trust September stats, lol.

JimEastTennessee

BBs. Ortiz is tossing BBs.

PirateRican21

Just a warning, he has had many starts like this in AA and then all he’ll breaks loose!!!!! No hoping for it!

1979andCounting

Sounds like a trip is coming for Tim or Wilber or BNP. That Dominican Academy sounds like a winner.

skliesen

I think Tim visited there a number of years ago. I’ve driven by it a few times, but never went in to see a game. It sure looks good. Kind of like an Oasis in the desert of abject poverty surrounding it.

NMR

He said the Dominican Academy not PNC Park…ba da ching.

skliesen

Ouch!

NMR

So a full-on minor league-style reliever game for Cinci? Sheesh, this league.

bucsws2014

odd seeing you in a game thread?

NMR

working a tad late, game’s a tad early, and living in mountain time zone now. 😉

bucsws2014

Well, good to see you here!

robertkasperski

Hope Ortiz can get 5-6 solid inning to limit our BP usage…..

NMR

There’s a trivia question…first Pirate starting pitcher to hit 100? Was Cole pumping that gas in ’15/’16?

bucsws2014

I don’t know who was first, but I’m going to guess Arqui Caminero had the most 100+ in a season. Including head shots. He had 52 in his lone year here.

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NMR

Ahhh of course, the last Great Searage Magic!

hoffmark83

Bob Veale & maybe Goose Goosage

skliesen

Gossage never started.

1979andCounting

Bob Veale.

NMR

Wowwww now that would be fun to know, great guess!

robertkasperski

Now that is a blast from the past!!

melkel

Sitting Hayes after showing some power, don’t want it going to his head I guess.

jon6er

And another waiver wire lottery claim starts a game at first base. “Live long and prosper”

melkel

Was a nice tag to end the first.

docdon385

Desperate for something positive to say about him I see. Did you see his at bat?

melkel

He hasn’t shown he can hit, and I’m not expecting him to. I wasn’t expecting him to make the tag.

jon6er

Yes it was

Shultzie31

Good thing they split this DH into a day/night. Can’t miss a gate between these two!

Wilbur Miller

I have no idea who most of the Reds’ guys are. “SS Reynolds?” Is that Craig Reynolds?

PirateRican21

PirateRican21

You win!

RAS TN

This is no way to play the game picking on a depleted Reds roster, but then again most teams have been doing that to the Pirates all season…

robertkasperski

These games are like road kill picking on road kill………….how is that even possible????

John Dreker

Game Two lineups will be posted above as soon as they are available. Should be interesting watching Ortiz. He could fail to make it out of the first inning or he could do just as well as Oviedo, just matters which version of Ortiz you get and how the nerves are for the big league debut

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PirateRican21

Did Hayes pulled all his at bats.?

PirateRican21

robertkasperski

Whoooo hooo!

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bucsws2014

Ouch. Golden Sombrero for Jack. And none of the ABs looked particularly good. Also needs stronger wrists to check that swing.

TNBucs

Since coming back up, he now has 16 Ks and only 3 BBs in 53 PAs–still a work in progress. We need to get him out of Cincinnati as he’s 0-10 with 6 Ks in the two games.

Anthony

Check out his monthlies, with the exception of a stellar June, they’re absolutely atrocious.

TNBucs

Fun article on Cruz:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34549859/how-appreciate-oneil-cruz-most-fun-unique-player-mlb

Closing line by Kiley with reference to his ability to play SS:

I can’t think of a better athlete than Oneil Cruz, so I’ll bet on him succeeding.”

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skliesen

Great article by Kiley. Appreciate you sharing it TN Buc.

john_fluharty

Hit a pay wall after a few paragraphs.

TNBucs

Shortish (not as short as 236’s :)) version is that Kiley wrote that he had given Cruz an 80 grade on his power when he ranked him 13th last winter and showed a video clip of Cruz’s hardest hit ball in the Statcast era, then went on to say he had given him an 80 on his arm and showed a clip of Cruz’s fastest throw by an IF in the Statcast era, and then noted that Cruz’s speed puts him in a very high percentile while most players his size are at best average. He acknowledged that his fielding is a work in progress but that his movements are fluid and he quoted a scout who had seen Cruz in the A ball saying that Cruz was like an octopus scooping up everything within reach. He also commented that, as we all know, Ks will continue to be part of Cruz’s game but that Cruz was making progress on making better swing decisions.

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Wilbur Miller

Out of all the crazy stuff about Cruz’ game, the most amazing is the fact that he CAN play SS. He may never quite be avg there, but you have to bear in mind just how exceptional an athlete a guy has to be to play SS in the majors at all. By all rights, Cruz at SS should look like Tsutsugo anywhere.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that Cruz didn’t get this far by showing up with his 80 arm and standing on the field. Same with his hitting. The Dodgers are extremely good at evaluating their own talent and they traded Cruz for a reliever. I’ll bet their staff told their FO something like, He’s got great talent but we doubt he’ll make it. When Cruz muffs one in the field or strikes out on a bad pitch, remember that he’s made a ton of progress against the odds and no doubt will make more.

NMR

To take nothing away from Cruz, it should make us think more about how we gatekeep the position in general.

Cruz is by no rational definition a good shortstop. Without significantly cleaning up throwing errors, he’s one of if not the worst in the league.

So if we accept that as the definition of “can play” then all the sudden you have a ton of other candidates who can as well.

Mtgj

Cruz in centerfield and Reynolds to left field next year would be great. I think that move would make the pirates a much better team. Unfortunately I don’t see either move happening.

NMR

yeoman’s work, TN.

AdministrativeSky236

Pretty much was just saying how he essentially has 80 grade power, run, and arm which is unheard of, so his ceiling is unmatchable just held back as far as his hit tool/approach and defense will keep him

Wilbur Miller

Praise Kiley!!

robertkasperski

But Oneil should be sent down to AAA……..right??

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NMR

fucks sake

john_fluharty

Lol. It’s a bit of a running joke at this point.

robertkasperski

Exactly…….

@NMR-

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TNBucs

Down five, nobody out, and you make an out on the basepaths–the Pirates and Reds seem made for eachother this year (and if we hold on and win this game, the season series will be 7-7).

TNBucs

Might be an interesting bet as to which of the four rookies in today’s lineup, Cruz, Castro, Suwinski, and Mitchell end the season with the highest OPS as they all range between .670 and .732 and have few enough PAs that a particularly bad or good week could cause one to go from first to last or last to first. Cruz has to be the favorite but Castro is just behind him and Mitchell is rising quickly.

TNBucs

Cruz and Castro are now .001 apart–the race is on!

robertkasperski

Cruz extends his lead to .005! What will Castro do leading off the,9th?

bucsws2014

Hopefully not have his head taken off.

robertkasperski

Lol! Acrually was thinking he same thing. Lines out to 3rd and now down .009….. on to game 2 for the race! 😁

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Wilbur Miller

Dingerz R Gud.

bucsws2014

If Bucs aren’t careful, they won’t be drafting in top 6.

jon6er

Shelton says hold my beer!

docdon385

With this bullpen?

forkball

Mitchell is an excellent hitter. Yes, he should pick up a first baseman’s glove. Of course, the DH is a real position 🙂

robertkasperski

Wham!!! Another Homer!!

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robertkasperski

I hope they Bucs can add at least one more here. Would love to see if Oviedo could go out and maybe repeat the 4th and get 3 outs in under 10 pitches again.

robertkasperski

Bummer. Handshakes and Thompson warming….

TNBucs

It is a bummer, but at 74 pitches when he’s in the process of being built up, I think it makes sense. In any case, this puts him on the radar for being part of next year’s rotation. That he was still hitting 95+ in the 5th is encouraging.

jon6er

With a decent ump behind the plate Oviedo would have been under 70 pitches and Cruz would have had walks his first three at bats. The Pirates just can’t have nice things, lol.

robertkasperski

Oh I know. Just would have liked to see how he responded one more time ~10 pitches max. But you are right, for the long run it was best to pull him. Very good work.

robertkasperski

Wham!!! Another Homer!!!

bucsws2014

This ump hates Cruz.

docdon385

This ump’s just bad.

robertkasperski

Appears that way.

robertkasperski

Umps league wide are making a case for Robo Ump

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