Pirates Discussion: Brew Crew in Town

The Milwaukee Brewers are coming to town with the Pittsburgh Pirates in the midst of a seven game skid.

The Brewers currently lead the NL Division and have the numbers to back it up. Their offense is 7th in MLB and 3rd in the NL with a .737 OPS. Meanwhile their pitching staff is 11th in the MLB and 7th in the NL with a 3.85 ERA.

Earlier on Monday the Brewers traded a very familiar name in closer Josh Hader to the Padres. It was a trade that shocked a lot of people, but they likely won’t miss a step with Devin Williams likely to take over the closer role.

The Pirates themselves made a move late Monday in trading Jose Quintana and Chris Stratton to division rival St. Louis Cardinals. The trade brought back Malcom Nunez and Johan Oviedo. The good news is that Quintana is a free agent after this year so we won’t have to worry about him as a former Bucco tormenting them for long.

Trade Deadline will be over by game time — deadline is 6 PM EST — and it’s tough to say how many more players may be moved. The Quintana trade didn’t have many rumors leading up to it, so it’s possible there are some more quiet discussions going on. Ben Cherington had said that there should be roster turnover after the deadline, but my guess is if there aren’t many trades then the majority of moves would likely come after this series.

Brewers @ Pirates

Time: 7:05 PM EST

Pirates Starter:  Bryse Wilson (1-6, 6.31)

Brewers Starter: Corbin Burnes (8-4, 2.31)

Wilson Notes: In his last four starts covering 22 innings, Bryse Wilson has giving up only eight earned runs for a 3.27 ERA. In those four starts he isn’t striking out many batters with only a K% of 14% but his BB% is only 2.2%. Groundball rate is sitting just below 50% at 48%. Bryse has been one of the starters looking like he may have turned a corner and will be tested against the Brewers (no jinx. no jinx. no jinx).

LINEUPS (tentative as the trade deadline is 6 PM today):

Pirates

Brewers

Christian Yelich LF
Willy Adames SS
Rowdy Tellez 1B
Andrew McCutchen DH
Kolten Wong 2B
Hunter Renfroe RF
Luis Urías 3B
Victor Caratini C
Tyrone Taylor CF

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redwards60

Earth to BC….Wilson is not a good pitcher in any universe…

McGurk

Holderman is the 57th Pirate this year. Just curious on thoughts of who else might make a debut, as most of the 40man has already played outside of the new players.
Oviedo, Beasley, and Mears all make sense. Yohan Ramirez is a solid maybe. It’s just that we’re normally waiting for someone to make a debut in September.

Who’s on the Rule5 Bubble that you’d like to see? Bolton, probably not MacGregor.
Will Mason Martin get called up before he gets released?
Will they wait for November to add Burrows, Bae, &Bins?

1979andCounting

They were not seeing Crowe’s stuff well at all.
Nice save. Nice win.

emjayinTN

Against one of the best SP’s in the NL. I think Bednar needed a rest. Crowe has adapted well to being a reliever – mid and late inning guy is a valuable commodity. Bryce Wilson as a SP/RP was a valuable add. Yerry De Los Santos and Colin Holderman, who was a 0.4 fWAR for the Mets before the trade, give the Bucs a solid relief foundation for the next few years.

redwards60

Wilson was a valuable add? Are you serious? Why do you accept incompetence and terrible performances? You prefer Wilson starting over Contreras, Bolton, or Burrows? I don’t get it…this is why nothing changes with the Pirates. You deserve what you accept…sorry

b mcferren

crowe throwing gas tonight

roibert.kasperski

Happy Crowe Day Y’all!!!!!

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AdministrativeSky236

Closer Crowe!

roibert.kasperski

Gotta love Yerry time late in games 😁😁😁

forkball

Yerry has a good arm.

jtkuch

Yerry in high leverage? Yes please

PirateRican21

Bañuelos had a debut to forget, since he has been pretty good.

skliesen

If Holderman can hold em, he’ll be in line for a win in his Pirates debut.

Probably just jinxed him.

roibert.kasperski

Lol! Holder man was about ready to come lookin for you! Missed the jinx by tha much🤣🤣🤣

ricramer

Meaning the jinx….

ricramer

Kinda looking that way….

chappy

The last hit for Reynolds was on July 8th…

skliesen

Didn’t see that coming.

ricramer

They are playing like an actual baseball team?!?

AdministrativeSky236

I know we are all doom and gloom today, but cruz is something special to watch at times

PirateRican21

It seems that he made an adjustment.

NMR

Good god, isn’t that true.

docdon385

What are you making out of Cherington’s comment that during the deadline period he “learned a ton about what might be out there for us this off season?” Is he just blowing smoke? What in the world could he be talking about?

Wilbur Miller

Corporate speak.

TNBucs

I hope he means that there are teams interested in some of our prospects that didn’t want to deal an MLB player now but might be interested in the offseason. I’m thinking of a Burnett-type deal where we give up a prospect and take on some salary to fill a need.

1979andCounting

Maybe Q’s agent told Ben he’ll return……he’ll give him last look. Wishful thinking.

ironmike56

I found it to be the cold fish indicating he will continue to trade off MLB players for mid tier prospects. It was kinda chilling. The teardown will continue.

ricramer

CRUZ!!!!!

ironmike56

I don’t think I’ve seen a sequence quite like that. Three hanging soft breaking balls knocked out of the park by three different batters off one pitcher in one inning. Ouch.

skliesen

How to turn a good night into a bad night.

A MasterClass taught by Bryce Wilson.

AdministrativeSky236

Adames always seems to do it to us

Last edited 6 days ago by AdministrativeSky236
forkball

I’ll be Captain Obvious – Pitching has not been the problem. Not Ready for Prime Time Hitters has.

AdministrativeSky236

In THEORY, we are much better suited to improve our hitting by positive regression/improvement from the young guys going into next year, but if this will actually happen can only be seen in time.

1979andCounting

Burnes is the CY Winner so it’s not about tonite. It’s been the whole year.

forkball

Exactly

docdon385

The way this umpire is being played by Caratini screams for the electronic strike zone. It’s ridiculous.

skliesen

This umpire doesn’t know the ankle from the knee.

roibert.kasperski

The Ump thinks the ankle bone is connected to the knee bone….. Wants to be the poster child for Robo Ump……

1979andCounting

BNP posted July SP’s era in recent article. Four out of 5 had a great month. Wilson continuing that tonite. We just have no bats.
That’s going to cost some money this winter, but I think even the FO understands the need.

hoffmark83

Doesn’t matter. Good free agents don’t want to come play for the Pirates.

TNBucs

I had thought that the strength of our minor league system was our bats but to this point we haven’t had success with position players transitioning to the majors.

jon6er

Might be a hard to figure things out when you get two or three hits and then ride the pine the next day. I’ve seen Shelton do it with veterans also since he’s been here.

1979andCounting

Even with very good SP we were 9-17 in July.
I mean, it doesn’t take Billy Beane to figure this out.

docdon385

Of course they understand it. The question is do they care enough to do something about it?

1979andCounting

A good start would be replacing Haines.

bucsws2014

Nifty play by Wong there on the short hop and off balance toss. Easy to fumble that.

AdministrativeSky236

He seems like hes always one of those players that kills the bucs!

AdministrativeSky236

Ke is big mad

skliesen

Here’s my positive spin on the trade deadline moves:

1. The acquisition of RP’s in the Vogie & Q deals sets the team up to have a strong bullpen going into next season.

2. Not trading away Reynolds or Bednar means they could add to the Club this winter to bolster the rotation and lineup (C, 1B, 2B) to make the team a possible playoff contender next season.

ironmike56

Just watched excerpts of Ben’s presser post deadline. What a cold fish. Basically said they stuck to their guns but “learned alot about what’s out there so they can be active in the offseason.”
I don’t think Bednar or Reynolds should feel any sense of long term commitment from this guy.

AdministrativeSky236

I love the optimism after mostly seeing downer comments today!

TNBucs

They just showed a clip of Cherington’s press conference about the deadline and he made the cryptic statement that they learned a lot during the last few days about what they might be able to do in the offseason. I hope that means trading some prospects for MLB players (e.g., a Burnett-type deal) and not that there is a market for our few good major league players. Maybe some of both.

TNBucs

It’s good to hear Brown and Walk talking about wins are all that matters. I wonder if management will want to talk to them later…

ironmike56

Two nasty cutters and a wipeout curve made him look real bad.

Brewers uniforms ruined by those goofy two tone bar league caps. Solid blue would make world of difference.

Very surprised Bednar and Gamel still with us….. I thought Ben would package a middle infield prospect with Bednar for a top 100 prospect. Alas, remaining excitement will be who is released. Thursday matinee could be interesting to attend.

bucsws2014

Bucs not gonna let As be the worst at scoring from 3rd less than 2 outs. This competition will go down to the wire.

Drufan11

Ugh Van Meter….

Drufan11

Why do we keep running him out there? Playing him at 1st is even more criminal.

roibert.kasperski

And somehow he gets the Bucs 2nd hit but with 2 out and no one on…..

bucsws2014

Mitchell having pitch recognition issues.

skliesen

JVM not only on the roster, but starting at 2B. Why?????

bucsws2014

1b. But the question “why” still applies.

b mcferren

smart call to keep Gamel and Newman? these two are better than Diego Castillo and Greg Allen

b mcferren

would have rathered those at bats go to Bae and Swaggerty

roibert.kasperski

Bae on the IL. Perhaps no one wanted Gamel or Newman. Bae should be up as son as healthy.

Born4rf

I couldn’t agree more especially because trading them makes it more likely you are starting Vanmeter and Yoshi for the next two months. The trading is done now the cutting must commence.

Last edited 6 days ago by Born4rf
Cobra

Looks like I can still proudly wear my Van Meter jersey for rest of season: happy Deadline Day to me! 🎉. Close call. First jersey I invested in since Brandon Inge debacle back in ‘13. Greg Brown got me very nervous with his prediction last week

hoffmark83

I see the Pirates actually made a last second dumpster dive move. Traded a sack of balls & sunflower seeds for Joe Hamandegger, also known as Jeremy Beasley.

RAS TN

It’s certainly going to be a knockdown battle for last place in the NL Central…hard to pick a favorite now after what the Reds and the Cubs did but I think my pick is the Pirates…

b mcferren

after all that. today and now we watch… Bryce Wilson

sigh 🙁

1979andCounting

The talking heads on MLB radio are quite surprised at the lack of bullpen relievers being traded. Ben got 3….although Beasley looks like AAA org guy….so let’s call it 2 quality relievers. I thought Gamel might bring something interesting, maybe from Guardians. But I like the guy and the player, so happy to have him for two more months.

RAS TN

Hooray for Josh Bell and Kevin Newman…

Timbertopper

Being reported that the Pirates acquired RHP Jeremy Beasley from the Blue Jays for cash. Wonder if Cherington offered to throw in a couple players and the Jays declined?

PirateRican21

Funny!

b mcferren

glad we kept Crowe

b mcferren

Bader to the yankees – – – surprising

john_fluharty

No more Darth Bader!?

1979andCounting

And he’s in a walking boot. Quite the gamble for Yankees to give up Montgomery SP. They’re thin in SP as it is with Severino out 60-days. Just what the Brewers need…..more good SP. EDIT: Montgomery is going to Cardinals. Cards did what they needed to do, added he and Q to the rotation.

Last edited 6 days ago by 1979andCounting
roibert.kasperski

I see the Padres pulled a Liriano type move by adding 2 prospects with Hosmer to Boston for 1 Prospect back and…. They are paying Boston $44 million in cold hard cash. Boston only paying Hosmer league minimum.

docdon385

The rest of the league just told Cherington what we’ve been saying for the past four months.

Wilbur Miller

That’s the real lesson here — You’ve got nobody the major league teams want. After three years, it’s a devastating statement of GMBS’ towering incompetence that this group of misfits is all he could do.

roibert.kasperski

To be honest, the only real marketable players that the Bucs had they traded in Vogy and Quintana. Surprised that St Louis took Stratton too. Anyone else that was available, would have been gravy to move even for a lottery pick, Several guys like Keller, Reynolds, Hayes, etc could have been moved but we would not have been very happy had that happened. Hopefully they will jettison several of the vets that are left and allow kids to play to get experience for next year and they bring in a better grade of FA over the winter.

TNBucs

I thought Underwood was a good candidate to be moved, but I’m glad we kept him as he should be part of a decent pen next year.

bucsws2014

Obviously Cards have an analytics guy who prosthelytizes spin rate.

bhritz

Is that all there is?

https://youtu.be/LCRZZC-DH7M

Last edited 6 days ago by bhritz
hoffmark83

Just like they do in games, the Pirates go out quietly on the trade deadline

NMR

They’d gladly take our good ones!

NMR

Very much agree; I look at the 2018 club that hit .500 and was subsequently torn down and cannot see a better one in the making without some MASSIVE outside additions…which would inevitably arrive right around the time the Cubs are ready to f shit up again and the Cards/Brewers are still doing their yearly 90ish win rosters.

AdministrativeSky236

I wonder how reds fans feel about their moves?

TNBucs

They should feel good about their trade deadline moves and angry about how they handled this past offseason. They went into the offseason with only needing a couple of additions to contend, but then they became sellers

They seemed to go all in for 2020, got burned by the pandemic, came up a little short in 2021 (if only the expanded playoffs had come a year sooner), and then gave up to get a fresh start.

But now they are on a similar timeline as we are, which is the problem with our slow rebuild process.

ArkyWags

This sums it up perfectly. It didn’t have to be this way for the Reds. They’ve done ok in the trades (attaching Suarez to Winker was dumb), but it wasn’t a path they had to take.

NMR

Speaking of slow rebuilds, their 2020 all-in push was essentially a shit-or-get-off-the-pot moment in their own. Six losing seasons in a row, with a Front Office change and shedding of anything worthy of trade along the way.

Teardowns are super effective, when ignoring all the ones that’ve failed…

ArkyWags

Someone on FG commented that when you see an owner unexpectedly jump into FA with both feet, don’t be surprised if they have second thoughts rather quickly. We’ve seen some organizations rebuild and blame the pandemic for the corners they had to cut, but I get the feeling something similar would have happened with Cincinnati anyway.

Additionally, while I’m usually supportive of teams spending money, the Castellanos/Moose tandem contracts were odd the minute they signed them. I can get behind one bat-only corner guys but two? Frankly, they’re lucky Casty opted out that deal looks awful.

Even with some ill-fated moves from the last regime, I still feel Cincy will be better positioned than Pgh in the next couple of years.

Cobra

The Legend of Josh VanWilder

Rating:R (Gross Humor)
Genre: Comedy
Director: Derek Shelton
Producer: Ben Cherington
Release Date: Aug 2, 2022 (delayed)
Box Office Gross: -0.2 WAR
Runtime: 140 abs too long
Distributor: Nutting Entertainment

Mblee24

Lineup is posted already. Assuming this means no more trades. VanMeter, Newman and Gamel all in it.

roibert.kasperski

The can still all be scratched 😁🤞🤞

Wilbur Miller

VanMeter back in the lineup. Same old garbage, just some bullpen tinkering and no Q.

ArkyWags

Garbage policy by a garbage organization.

NMR

Quite possible the embarrassment of literally running out of players by end of last year while currently staring at even less depth was a factor here…

They make you put 9 guys on the field, after all!

Wilbur Miller

If you can’t put nine players on the field without Josh VanMeter, you’re not qualified to run a tiddlywinks team.

NMR

Bingo!

hoffmark83

I thought this WAS a tiddlywinks team.

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