Pirates Discussion: Sunday Rubber Match; Reynolds Leaves Early

The Pittsburgh Pirates managed to string together four of their five hits at the perfect time, plating four runs in the seventh, and then holding off the Milwaukee Brewers.

They have a chance to take the series on Sunday, a week after they let a series victory against the Brewers slip through their hands in a 2-0 defeat.

Three recent veteran roster activations (Ben Gamel, Kevin Newman, and Yoshi Tsutsugo) provided four of the five hits, three of the four in the seventh, to carry to offense. Gamel hit the big — eventual clinching — two run home run.

At this point in the season, the veterans are auditioning for teams in the hunt — or a roster spot on the 2023 Pirates if they have remaining years of control.

If you were to carry any of the existing veterans, who would it be, and why?

I’d be interested in carrying Kevin Newman as a super utility bat. He’s shown an ability to be a defensive asset, and is often a tough at-bat. Then I wouldn’t mind Gamel as a veteran fourth OF. He seems like a great clubhouse presence, and can also can grow a majestic beard.

PIRATES @ BREWERS

Time: 2:10 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Jose Quintana, (2-4, 3.33)

Brewers Starter: Eric Lauer   (6-3, 3.84) 

Quintana Notes: Jose Quintana has been a stable presence this season, and his latest start was another indication of that. He held the Yankees to one run over five innings, while striking out seven. That start ended with Quintana getting his second victory of the season. 

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UPDATE: Bryan Reynolds left early on Sunday with right side discomfort. He is listed as day-to-day. With the way the Pirates have handled injury announcements this year, that could literally be anything from playing tomorrow night to being out for the year.

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RAS TN

Maybe a good thing the Bucs will not have to face the Marlin’s #1 SP…

Does this injury take him out of the All-Star game??? Well asked and answered not the injury just not going to be picked…BEDNAR Pirates rep…

Inquiring minds: The name Arby’s comes from the spoken letters “RB”, which stands for roast beef.

Last edited 2 months ago by RAS TN
robertkasperski

Sign of the Apocalypse???

AdministrativeSky236

Why no yerry for the non save situation? Hes been up today

robertkasperski

Save no save situation. Making sure they do the near impossible and beat the Brewers in Milwaukee

ricramer

The script. Must….Follow….The….Script….

ricramer

Ouch, the bomb from Cutch.

1979andCounting

That was an intentional walk at 3 – 0. Thank you Counsel!

Iowasteel

Vogie! Are the Pirates going to win a series in Milwaukee? Always wondered what that was like.

PiratePrimate

Last year too

Last edited 2 months ago by PiratePrimate
AdministrativeSky236

Bombs away!

PiratePrimate

You can’t fool the Fat Man!

waitwhat

I love Vogelbach. Meatball masher.

hoffmark83

Reynolda right side discomfort

john_fluharty

Ugh

EightMenOut

Reynolds: right side discomfort

PiratePrimate

Delay making a statement!

robertkasperski

Happy Crowe Day Y’all!!!

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to busy looking for Reynolds info that I missed that he was in the game…….

Last edited 2 months ago by robertkasperski
joebaseball

Throw strikes. Walks are killer.

Wilbur Miller

Mackey says it’s not a trade.

hoffmark83

60 day IL. Lol

Last edited 2 months ago by hoffmark83
PiratePrimate

I’m afraid if I write this they’ll trade him in the next 24 hours but the more you think about it, Reynolds’ value is worth so much more batting second and playing everyday for the Pirates the next two years than any trade could match. He’s not going anywhere. There, now he’ll get traded.

PirateRican21

Right side discomfort.

AdministrativeSky236

This kind of worries me, if its an oblique that could be 6-8 weeks

robertkasperski

Yay?

b mcferren

means he plays the rest of the year in black and gold and will flip him in December

even more reason to be buyers this deadline

bring in some ringer starting pitchers like Bumgarner, Chris Archer and David Price

PirateRican21

Mr. underwood the 7th is yours!

robertkasperski

How weird is it that one is hoping a player is injured? If it is a trade, it best be for a haul like the rumored demand has been.

EightMenOut

I would take a starting pitching haul that was worth Reynolds trade value, anything else would seem unwise.

PirateRican21

Reynolds out of the game? Hug watch?

hoffmark83

More than likely injured.

EightMenOut

trade or injured, seems like the only two options, and he doesn’t look injured.

1979andCounting

Padres have Tatis shagging fly balls. They want BRey.

Wilbur Miller

Not too thrilled with either option.

EightMenOut

third option: he saw about 20 pitches in his 3 ABs, so maybe he reached his pitch count.

EightMenOut

fourth option: could be feeling ill? but you would think with covid being a concern he wouldn’t be staying in the dugout then.

Colin

Hope he’s not hurt

Wilbur Miller

WTF???

Wilbur Miller

First Banuelos retires three straight hitters, then Jandel Gustave comes in. I feel like I’ve stepped into the Waiver Dimension.

robertkasperski

Cue the Twilight Zone theme……..

agent00

still odd they never gave gustave a chance.

Wilbur Miller

He seemed more interesting to me than a lot of the guys they’ve tried.

AdministrativeSky236

Suwinski, cruz, and diego are all flexing solid to plus power potential, assuming they can improve their averages/obp from their rookie levels, could be a very dangerous lineup as soon as next year

Wilbur Miller

Jack’s OBP is trending right lately, although he still goes through ups and downs. But it was .347 in June. The ability is there.

AdministrativeSky236

For sure, he got his walk rate more in line with his minors levels in the last few weeks. If he can keep that and the power while even hitting .240-.250 then he’s a plus player

Wilbur Miller

The way things are going in MLB, if he hits .240-250 he’s a batting champ.

1979andCounting

Now He’s trending the other way now. Think he’s 0-17.

Wilbur Miller

So far it’s been two steps forward, one step back. Hopefully, that just continues. He does seem to be very streaky.

1979andCounting

Former Pirates: Shreve released by Mets. EGon back down to minors, could not hit with Marlins.

jon6er

“EGon back down to minors, cannot hit major league pitching.”
Fixed it

jon6er

Cruz is must see TV and is about the biggest reason I would consider going to PNC. Of course that would be the game Shelton decides to rest the 23 year old, lol.

michaelbro8

yeah, would be the time to give veteranosity to Van Meter

1979andCounting

Wow! Easy power Cruz!

AdministrativeSky236

CRUZ MISSLE!

PirateRican21

Let me get the tape measure out.

1979andCounting

I would prefer Beede here rather than Stratton.

1979andCounting

Seems like Reynolds should have called off Newman. Way too difficult for IFer.

EightMenOut

One team to look for a trade to get starting pitching would be Cincinnati. Castillo and Mahle have one more year of control. It would seem the Reds would also want to get rid of the $18 million owed to Moustakas next year.  If the Pirates have truly been saving money for when they can spend to make the playoffs, then Castillo and Mahle are worth checking out for a playoff push for 2023, which would commit no money for 2024. They could even see if the Reds would be open to moving Lodolo if the Pirates also takes Moustakas and gives them a prospect.

Last edited 2 months ago by EightMenOut
1979andCounting

All the technology and Brewers don’t have cameras on the lines. Smh.

Wilbur Miller

Can’t be helped. If Diego wasn’t out there, they’d have to do something stupid, like putting an infielder in the outfield.

docdon385

He didn’t give up on it. No way was he going to catch. He saw that it was foul but still got it in as fast as possible after the call. What do you want him to do?

Colin

Let’s go Key! Triple shy of the cycle

PirateRican21

Chavis, King of Check Swing!

PirateRican21

Didn’t check his swing there! Chavis, Chavis!

PiratePrimate

I’m dreaming of a Top 100 prospect for Q if he keeps pitching like this. Three team bidding war? A GM who’s been told he has to make the playoffs? He might be willing to part with almost anything to acquire a good LHer.

PirateRican21

Wilbur Miller

BRey is doing a number on Lauer’s pitch count.

Wilbur Miller

I don’t have any illusions about Delay turning into Russell Martin or anything, but I like him better than either of the other two. Glove-wise, I think he’s the best of the three.

Last edited 2 months ago by Wilbur Miller
Colin

Why not? Can’t be much worse than what we’ve been throwing out there

PiratePrimate

What’s not to like? Soft hands, good arm, hard worker. He’s as good if not better than anyone I’ve seen in the last year except for Christian Bethancourt. Where is he?

Colin

Thought Roansy was optioned to AAA? Just saw him on the bench

Wilbur Miller

They said he’s not actually going anywhere. Just a paper move.

Colin

Ohh ok. Thought my mind was playing tricks on me again

1979andCounting

Wasn’t Newman among the worst OPS in 2021 amongst all players. He falls in the Cole Tucker category for me, good glove no bat, except he will command several million dollar payroll in ’23. We are supposed to be “building”, and there’s no room for keeping a player like Newman.

bucsws2014

He was bad. However, the one plus he has is that he’s currently one of the only two regulars who actually hit well in RISP situations (186 wRC+). Gamel is the other.

PiratePrimate

I would rather see Newman leading off than a guy who’s been hitting .150 for the last 40 games hitting third. Something’s wrong with Hayes and trotting him out there at the top of the order day after day as his slide gets worse is not fair to him. He’s still young and the league has figured out something. If the club and he can’t adjust, keeping him up in the lineup isn’t going to make matters any better. It only puts more pressure on him.

Last edited 2 months ago by PiratePrimate
michaelbro8

please make this comment every day !

PiratePrimate

Reverse Jinx!

EightMenOut

Tsutsugo/Newman/Gamel/Vogelbach cost about $8 million this year, and I think over $10 million next year. To replace them with what is now minor league depth would cost about $4 million. If you didn’t bring them back, you would have at least $6 million more to spend on starting pitching, which is where the focus has to be for additions right now. I would add that $6 million to the starting pitching money pool (or puddle as the case may be).

Last edited 2 months ago by EightMenOut
ironmike56

Are there any stats available on whether the shift actually works for specific teams?
It seems to me our Bucs are burned often by opposing batters, particularly early in games. I do not see the wisdom in déploying the shift the first time through à lineup, when the batters are often not timed up on the pitchers. Actually I despise the shift….use to sympathize with AJ stomping around when à DP ball bled through à vacant position.

postal911

I would trade any of them if you can get something back. None of them are pieces of the future. This off season they can go out and sign a cheap right handed OF to replace Gamel and balance out the lineup some. Newman or Vanmeter should be replaced by Bae now. There is no point in having both duds on the roster. Yoshi who cares, Vogelbach is super cheap so you may as well keep him and maybe try and keep him for next year until a better option comes up from the minors.

PirateRican21

Newman back to leading off 🙁, Hayes 3rd 😩. We need good RH bats!

PirateRican21

I know baseball!

AdministrativeSky236

Hayes looking like a good 3 hitter today!

PirateRican21

Again, I know baseball!

jon6er

No table pounding for ‘Meat Sauce’, lol.

bucsws2014

If Gamel can fetch a decent pitching prospect that can help at PNC in 2023-2024, do it.

I don’t see a need for Newman, but with Nick G looking more and more like a bust, Newman might be useful, especially if Cruz finds his way to CF via a Reynolds trade.

Vogey is having his best year ever, and it’s not really all that great. I’d expect him to decline, so I’ll pass there. Yoshi is last year’s news. Start grooming Mitchell for 1b as he has no other viable position.

joesolo6181

Why is Gorksi’s leg injury a secret? Is this hockey, a lower body injury. Hell what is the injury? could it be an Achilles tendon tear, Hammy tear, ACL or a simple pulled muscle? The secrecy is mind boggling

ironmike56

Quad tears are tricky depending on how sévère. Try to come back without it being fully healed and it is easy to aggravate. Hé is a guy you want to have his wheels right.

Last edited 2 months ago by ironmike56
PirateRican21

Quad.

PiratePrimate

Cruz and Peguero, along with Castillo and Marcano, make Newman superfluous. I can’t imagine anyone would offer much for him. Tsutsugo is what he is and like the last standing person in a game of musical chairs, there’s no place for Yoshi. I imagine he has even less value than Newman.

But Gamel needs to stay and compete for an OF spot next year. His value for the Pirates is double what his trade value is. And like the man says, he grows a great beard and he can hit LHers. Keep him. Pay him what he’s worth. The kids need major league players around them. Ben’s a ballplayer.

Keep Vogelbach. Why not? Good clubhouse influence and a good bat off the bench

Last edited 2 months ago by PiratePrimate
hoptown

I’d bring Vogelback back for sure. His contact is cheap next year amd we are short on first basemen. No interest in Yoshi. Newman’s arbitration number will be like $4M. Pass. Just roll with the younger guys. Gamel is ok, but I’d rather see the young guys get at bats in OF too.

Timbertopper

Hopefully, this question will be answered for us at the trade deadline as they will certainly be made available. If not, the next logical question should be: If none of the 29 other major league organizations want them, why should we?

Tintin049

Gamel and Vogelbach are like a old beater car. Useful, but no one is going to pay a lot for it, so it’s not a huge deal to keep it.

Catch_22

Gamel would be a starter, not a 4th OFer. Pirates 4th OFer preferably would be a righty, someone like Luplow

Last edited 2 months ago by Catch_22
robertkasperski

No, I want Gamel as the 4th OF. That would mean 3 other guys better than Ben and Ben would still get ample playing time giving the other guys a day off and we would not see a precipitous drop off when one of the starters gets a day off.

Catch_22

You have one better than Ben right now in Reynolds, he and Jack provide around the same value. If you want Gamel to be a 4th of’er, you would need to sign a FA or swing a trade.

PirateRican21

I know he hit a HR yesterday and that automatically makes him better than he is, but would you really keep Gamel over Swaggerty, Mitchell, and Madris, you could even add Bae to that equation.

bucsws2014

Mitchell has no role in the OF. None.

I’d trade Gamel, but not for nothing. He could be very useful here if Bucs trade Reynolds.

Catch_22

I think Gamel is better than those guys. Maybe not Bae, but I don’t see Bae as starting in the outfield.

The key is to retain the good players.

I think it’s moot, tho. Cherington will probably trade Gamel and Vogelbach so he can continue tryouts on the MLB level

roberto

I’m late to the party, please excuse me. Nobody needs to be traded. Make BC an offer he can’t refuse and he’ll take it. Don’t and he won’t.

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