P2Live: The Battle of the Aces Between the Pirates and Rays

SAINT PETERSBURG, Fla. – The Pirates look to rebound against the Rays in game two of this three game series, after losing 4-1 last night. The best pitchers for each team will take the mound, as Mitch Keller goes up against Shane McClanahan.

I’m covering the game live, and joining in on the discussion throughout. Join the game discussion in the comments below.

PIRATES AT RAYS

Game Time: 6:40 PM EST
Pirates Starter: Mitch Keller (3-0, 3.53)
Rays Starter: Shane McClanahan (5-0, 2.12)
Pirates Lineups:

Rays Lineups:

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forkball

Looking around the league, they still are in a good place. Hope that they learn and get a W tomorrow.

bucsws2014

Being a UConn alum, this series feels eerily similar to the Huskies in this year’s NCAA tourney – close first halves, then pressure and pull away.

CTBucco

So, I’m not the only UConn Huskies+Pirates fan? Cool beans.

We’re seeing the younger guys look like young players in this series. TB makes no mistakes, so there is pressure to play perfect baseball. We’re seeing it come through in the field and at the plate. Hopefully, it’s a good learning experience for them and not just demoralizing.

melkel

Peguero hit a homer tonight

James_Robert5

Triolo, Cruz, and Endy will make this team look very different

The current lineup is weak up the middle on D

Wilbur Miller

Hedges now batting .133. Too bad the veteran tenure rules don’t allow Shelton to hit for him.

chuck_conner

Sheldon won’t let anyone hit for him. Has Hedges thrown anyone out stealing?

bucsws2014

Home run aside, that was some nice pitching by Rule 5.

Wilbur Miller

He’s due for some leverage opportunities.

bucsws2014

Rays putting Fairbanks on 15-day smells like how the Dodgers used to manipulate the rules to keep their pitching staff fresh.

Last edited 1 month ago by bucsws2014
PirateRican21

Wouldn’t doubt it. And the way they work the waiver wire, claimed, used, disposed.

Last edited 1 month ago by PirateRican21
PirateRican21

Crushed!

skliesen

That pretty much describes how I feel to a T.

PirateRican21

Long season brother peaks and valleys. Besides anything close to 80 wins is a good season!

bucsws2014

Well, now he no longer has to worry about giving up that first dinger.

Wilbur Miller

0-for-15 in the series wRISP

Not. Ready.

Last edited 1 month ago by Wilbur Miller
chuck_conner

That’s the killer. Their minor league clubs are also awful with RISP.

bucsws2014

IMO, they’d have scored Joe before this series. Whether that’s McClanahan or they’re tight, you’re right, they’re not there yet.`

Wilbur Miller

Going into the series, I think they were leading MLB in BA wRISP. But they’ve fallen flat, with a lot of extremely bad ABs.

skliesen

Castro is overmatched by McClanahan. Badly.

PirateRican21

So you are to blame, I’m telling Green W.

PirateRican21

A. Big portion of the league is

Pedro_Power

Brutal night for Rudy

phieralph

The field is made of rubber!

Wilbur Miller

Give Keller credit. He kept battling long enough to get, what, five outs? Six?

Wilbur Miller

Just to add to the evening — Termarr has come up three times tonight: one walk and two strikeouts.

CTBucco

I could see if he was hitting weak grounders. But all of these whiffs! Not at all what any of us expected from a guy with such a highly praised hit tool. And since that’s his one carrying tool, that’s pretty scary.

Is he, maybe, adjusting to having money for the first time and making some bad teenager choices? Or is the jump to A- that big for a (highly acclaimed) HS hitter?

chuck_conner

All the ML clubs have better players because the cutback of teams. Less players make better players. He still a couple yrs young for Bradenton.

Wilbur Miller

If it’s such a big jump for him, he’s not the guy he was touted to be.

CTBucco

Which is why I would’ve rather they chose Elijah Green. If the power didn’t develop, then maybe the hit tool would. Or, if he never hit a ton, maybe he would have enough power to still be productive. And, if both do develop, you have a middle-of-the-order thumper superstar.

chuck_conner

Wow….let give up on an 18 year old kid before he’s had 100 AB’S. SMH.

CTBucco

That’s fair. It’s just discouraging to see him start this way. I really hope that he just needs some time to find his swing.

Pedro_Power

Ughh. That is very unfortunate to hear.

Wilbur Miller

And he just committed an error to start a rally in a tie game.

Wilbur Miller

And another three-K game.

phieralph

Mcclanahan is at about 90 pitches… So… Their bullpen is depleted.

That’s all I got.

Wilbur Miller

The Pirates haven’t played like this all year, which raises the question whether they just aren’t mentally ready yet to play a team as good as the Rays.

docdon385

Or which one is the real Pirate team? There’s no excuse for playing like this regardless of the opponent. A good team elevates its game against a better team instead of falling apart. We’ll see if the veterans can help them get past this fiasco or if they regress to the mean of the past couple of years.

ArkyWags

Or it’s just a couple of bad games they’re due for.

chuck_conner

The dodgers came into Pittsburgh and was lucky to leave with 1 win. Then goes home and beat St. LOUIS 3 games and clobbered Philadelphia. The best team in college loses games.

Last edited 1 month ago by chuck_conner
jon6er

Sucks Mitch gets charged with earned runs this inning.

Wilbur Miller

Roansy got charged with three last night and only one was his fault. Except for that one, every run in the series has resulted from awful defense.

phieralph

That’s disappointing

phieralph

Does he?

Wilbur Miller

One at least.

phieralph

Gross. Just gross.

skliesen

Bae has gone from Penthouse to Outhouse and back again about a dozen times tonight.

Wilbur Miller

Going from bad to worse.

patrick_kelly

Bae giveth. Bae taketh away.

Pedro_Power

This is sickening

Pedro_Power

This defense is an abomination. Poor Mitch

Catch_22

Bae, Castro, Reynolds D preventing an absolute gem by Keller. Zero earned runs and 7 k’s through 4. Really spotting on the edges. Shenanigans of the before mentioned cost him 10-15 pitches at minimum.

Pedro_Power

I don’t want to jinx it but Keller looks like top 15-20 starter in MLB to me recently

Wilbur Miller

More than any other area (except manager), the defense on this time still needs a lot of work. I don’t see any evidence in this series that the Rays hit or pitch better than the Pirates. But they field and manage better.

1979andCounting

There’s plenty of evidence. McClanahan is better than anyone we can throw. He has Cy Young candidate arm. They used their entire pen last night and shut our bats down. They have plenty of professional hitters who have professional ABs……their lineup is unquestionably full of better hitters.

chuck_conner

“Except manager!” Wilbur, be nice.

Last edited 1 month ago by chuck_conner
bucsws2014

Revisiting this in the 8th inning, you still feel Rays can’t hit better?

Catch_22

Agree. Rays are just more fundamentally sound.

Wilbur Miller

They’re the best run team in the game.

PirateRican21

Ok guys, it’s only 3-1. We are still in it.

Pedro_Power

Keller looks phenomenal imo.

jon6er

He did a hell of a job keeping the team in the game that inning.

Colin

Looks like the damn circus showed up in Tampa

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phieralph

I STRONGLY encourage anyone who has MLBTV to replay Shelton losing his mind on the Rays’ broadcast. You can hear EVERYTHING Shelton says and it’s one of the cooler things I’ve seen in awhile.

patrick_kelly

Summary?

skliesen

3B Ump decided he needed to be the star of the show tonight. Maybe he was pissed Shelton told the world he knows he F’ed up last night by not calling the balk?

phieralph

F$@K YOU!
NO
F@&K YOU!

Pedro_Power

Hedges is hard to watch at the plate.

buccobrach2

Having hedges hit is like having a pitcher bat.

skliesen

Especially when they have Delay, who’s hitting .390 on the bench.

Wilbur Miller

This is Shelton. The larger the gap between Hedges and Delay becomes, the more determined he’ll become to play Hedges.

And I’m heartily sick and tired of hearing about Hedges handling the pitching staff. The big stretch this year started while Hedges was out. The REAL beginning of the improvement started last year with Delay and Heineman catching. At least try to correlate the Hedges mythology with actual events.

Last edited 1 month ago by Wilbur Miller
chuck_conner

It’s a long season, guys. Longer watching Hedges batting.

khenry9

Agree with you guys. I get Hedges does well with the pitching staff but watching him bat is getting tough.

ArkyWags

Ump show. You know that excites Brown, he loves this stuff. He probably can’t stand up.

skliesen

I love Shelton’s fire.

Iowasteel

Well, we all knew Castro was not a shortstop. Really, he wasn’t even good as a second baseman. Just have to grin and bear it until Cruz gets back.

patrick_kelly

3 errors since that first game or 2 since Cruz went down. He’s doing just fine considering the situation they put him in.

Wilbur Miller

Kinda getting the impression of a team playing out of its division.

GreenWeenie

They’re learning what it takes. And of course, this isn’t THE TEAM just yet.

skliesen

Or a team not used to playing on 1970’s style Astro turf.

ArkyWags

That explains Reynolds’ misplay. Not Andujar, Castro, and Bae not fumbling around.

skliesen

It played a part in ball hit to Bae and Castro, IMO.

Wilbur Miller

They’re gonna need better excuses than that.

docdon385

Need to stop searching for excuses of any kind. They know where they’re playing. These are just bad baseball plays especially that lack of effort by Castro.

skliesen

Excuses? Who’s making excuses? It’s a simple fact one team plays 81 games on a surface nobody else in baseball plays on. And it happened to play a major factor in all of the run scoring plays.

And there’s no lack of effort by Castro or anyone else.

Wilbur Miller

29 other teams have to play on that surface from time to time, yet the Rays don’t win all their games there.

jimmyz

I think they have in fact won all their home games so far this season.

GreenWeenie

Lack of effort? Your think his teammates would be trying to pick him up if they thought he wasn’t trying?

phieralph

Wtf is happening?

GreenWeenie

Poor defense and Keller serving up a couple meatballs.

ArkyWags

Yep. Seeing the limitation of those guys in the MI.

ArkyWags

Christ, freaking trash defense. Let’s give them six outs.

skliesen

Horrible defensive showing this inning by the MI’s.

GreenWeenie

Jingo!!!

phieralph

This team is firing on all cylinders!

phieralph

Welp… Almost

robertkasperski

phieralph

LET’S GOOOOOOOO

phieralph

You could see Siri turn to the umpire after the strikeout on the Rays’ feed. And you couldn’t see what he said but you can clearly read the umpire responding, “Yeah man, I think it was off the plate a little. But not by much!”

PirateRican21

KKKeller, #extendKeller

PirateRican21

KKKKeller, #extendKeller

PirateRican21

I missed almost the whole inning, wow, anyway, KKKKKeller, #extendKeller.

PirateRican21

KKKKKKKeller, #extendKeller.

skliesen

At least Bae walked that inning so they could clear the Pitchers (Hedges) spot in the lineup.

Last edited 1 month ago by skliesen
phieralph

Remember Steven Brault batting?

That was fun.

robertkasperski

pitchers…..

sorry, could not help myself😁😁

Last edited 1 month ago by robertkasperski
skliesen

I deserve that.

robertkasperski

🤣🤣🤣

b mcferren

is there a way to search text from all our comments?

i´d like to point out all the times in 2018 that my sources encouraged the team to draft McLanahan with the 10th pick

skliesen

Only if you also post how many times I begged for Pirates to sign Sonny Gray.

b mcferren

that was not me

robertkasperski

Nice start Mitch!!

b mcferren

Lets Go Bucs!

PirateRican21

KKeller, #extendKeller

PirateRican21

I thought Delay was Keller’s catcher….

phieralph

Also, incredible AB’s so far.

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