Williams: Three Point Sixteen Wins Per Week

Three or four wins a week.

That’s the difference between a 75-game winner and a 100-game winner.

As we’ve seen during the opening stages of the Pittsburgh Pirates 2023 season, a team doesn’t always get three *or* four wins each week.

Sometimes it’s one. Sometimes it’s six.

Sometimes a team goes multiple weeks without getting three or four wins.

Sometimes a team has multiple weeks where it feels like they do nothing but win.

Contending teams are the ones who avoid the variances and remain most consistent in the long run.

The Pirates have been one of the hottest teams in the game. They’ve been one of the coldest teams in the game. And they’re 26-25 on Memorial Day weekend.

*****

“Know what the difference between hitting .250 and .300 is? It’s 25 hits. 25 hits in 500 at bats is 50 points, okay? There’s 6 months in a season, that’s about 25 weeks. That means if you get just one extra flare a week – just one – a gorp… you get a groundball, you get a groundball with eyes… you get a dying quail, just one more dying quail a week… and you’re in Yankee Stadium.
— Crash Davis

The Pirates have an offense that ranks in the middle of the league across the board.

AVG – .247 / 16th
OBP – .325 / 14th
SLG – .408 / 14th
wOBA – .321 / 14th
wRC+ – 99 / 15th

For an offense that was pretty squarely at the bottom of the league in 2022, the above results are great to see in the first third of the year.

What I find interesting is how the Pirates are excelling with a lot of high OBP/SLG results. The average isn’t always up there, but they’ve got productive hitters.

Rodolfo Castro has a .263 average and an OBP that is over a hundred points higher at .366. He adds power, with a .175 isolated power marker that is one of the lower ends on this list. Defense takes away from his overall value, but he’s hitting well enough to be a regular.

The Pirates have a productive trio in the outfield. Connor Joe has a .255 average, .350 OBP, and .226 ISO. Jack Suwinski has a .233 average, .350 OBP, and .256 ISO. Bryan Reynolds has a .292 average, .343 OBP, and .222 ISO. Those are all very similar numbers, with a key difference that Reynolds is the best hitter of the group, while trailing the other two in walks. Suwinski (31.3%) and Joe (27.4%) have higher strikeout rates than Reynolds (17.4%). There’s no one correct path. The Pirates have a more traditional star performance from Reynolds, and two Moneyball outfielders in Suwinski and Joe.

A huge credit to Carlos Santana for providing defensive stability at first base, combined with a .328 OBP. The Pirates were planning on Ji-Man Choi playing some of that time at first base, and Santana’s offense has maintained a passable level while stabilizing the entire position. Andrew McCutchen is doing the same thing for the DH role, with a .364 OBP and a .192 ISO.

Tucupita Marcano has added offense, with a .341 OBP and a .203 ISO. Since he’s arrived, he’s spent most of the time at shortstop for the Pirates, moving Castro to a better position.

Jason Delay has nearly as much playing time this year as Austin Hedges, and leads all non-Oneil Cruz Pirates hitters with a .371 OBP. He also has a .469 slugging. Hedges brings more experience behind the plate, but lacks any offense. Both catchers have strong defense, and the Pirates feel there’s an intangible quality from Hedges that impacts the pitching staff.

That pitching staff, by the way, ranks 8th in ERA (3.81) and 7th in FIP (3.93).

*****

At the start of the season, I predicted 79 wins for the Pirates. That was completely based on trust in the ZiPS projections, and my attempt at projecting out the depth charts.

In a 25-week season, the Pirates would need to win 3.16 games a week to hit my projection. The previous disclaimer stands about how you don’t always get 3.16 wins per week.

Sometimes it’s 1.58. Sometimes it’s 4.74.

I’m not even going to go into what they’d need to do each week to hit 82 wins.

The point is, this game isn’t ever going to look the way you want it to look, even if it ends up at the predicted outcome.

The Pirates have taken a big step forward in the first part of the 2023 season, compared to their 100-loss season in 2022. MLB seasons are long and full of variance, but the Pirates have managed a winning record and some positive individual results through some extreme variance thus far.

At the very least, this has been an enjoyable start to the year, and a positive step forward for the Pirates.

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Tim is the owner, producer, editor, and lead writer of PiratesProspects.com. He has been running Pirates Prospects since 2009, becoming the first new media reporter and outlet covering the Pirates at the MLB level in 2011 and 2012. His work can also be found in Baseball America, where he has been a contributor since 2014 and the Pirates' correspondent since 2019.

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zebug

Personally, I’d feel a lot better if the Pirates played roughly .500 in April and roughly .500 in May. This May collapse, coupled with prior years, makes April look like an outlier. Yes the overall batting numbers are decent but that’s b/c in April, they all were channeling their inner Tony Gwynn. May they’ve been channeling their inner VanMeter. I feel they are closer to VanMeter than Gwynn

Wilbur Miller

FWIW, Jack’s H/R split this year:

Home — 200/322/387
Away — 284/388/672

He’s demonstrating the concept of statistical noise.

statscbl

Delete this before Shelton’s analytics team sees this. They will have him batting lead off on road games and not playing any more home games.

AdministrativeSky236

Interesting that its the opposite of his splits last year

Wilbur Miller

He’s really good at statistical noise.

AdministrativeSky236

So we sell him high to a team that hardly uses analytics on the back of his overall numbers not being terrible?

b mcferren

Ready to see Quinn start a game in the majors – Brido too to pitch in the bullpen

melkel

I don’t know if we can win 70 games this year. If we lose the A’s series, 100 losses seems very possible.

PirateRican21

My prediction of 68-72 treading water.

melkel

The pitching is the only reason I can see us being that good.

AdministrativeSky236

Ill take my L here. Thought bolton would be a serviceable longman out of the pen this year. Certainly way way too early to call the guy’s career, but he certainly doesnt seem to have it right now

TNBucs

That inning not only ensures we’ll drop below .500 for the first time since the beginning of April, but that our runs allowed will now exceed our runs scored (we were +10 coming into today).

melkel

They’re regressing fast. Complete 180 from April.

hoffmark83

Bolton is just more proof that the Pirates have nothing down on the farm.

melkel

I don’t know if you call this a rally for the Giants or batting practice

Last edited 3 months ago by melkel
joebaseball

Is Shelton playing Weekend at Bernie’s in the dugout? 7 Runs and 1 out. Get him out of there.Guess he was waiting for the mercy rule.

Last edited 3 months ago by joebaseball
melkel

Castro is playing a decent 3rd defensively

PirateRican21

Is his best position.

melkel

I spoke too soon

melkel

Well Boltons ERA is shot to poo

TNBucs

I don’t understand how someone can be considered a player’s manager and yet leave a young player out to dry when he clearly doesn’t have it.

Last edited 3 months ago by TNBucs
1979andCounting

The game is lost so he’s just trying to save the pen. Low 30’s in pitches isn’t going to hurt Bolton. Learning experience that’s all.

PirateRican21

He’s not good, that was the point I was trying to make about keeping Underwood. Underwood bad, Bolton, Yerry, Selby worse, at least for now.

TNBucs

We’re in year four of Cherington and we still can’t field a team with more than 3-4 good relievers?

1979andCounting

Bolton does not have an out pitch. Why have I been reading in P2 that he’s a promising BP arm?

joebaseball

Bolton’s FB is getting creamed.
5 straight batter get 5 hits.
THROW STRIKES!!!!

Last edited 3 months ago by joebaseball
TNBucs

And it seems we need even larger bases for Joe and Bae to be able to find them.

melkel

This is where you pinch hit for Hedges! Shelton

joebaseball

Anybody have a memory long enough to remember the last time Hedges got a hit?

joebaseball

Is this a rally? Haven’t seen one in a while.

AdministrativeSky236

Wouldve been nice to make it 6-4, but still a little fight i guess

AdministrativeSky236

As much as jack frustrates, he does have that boom going for him

TNBucs

It would be great if he could learn to hit lefties, but if he is nothing more than a platoon player, at least it’s the strong half of the platoon.

melkel

It sucks because the potential is there, he gets in stretches opening his front shoulder and can’t hardly touch a pitch on the outer third of the plate. Friday he stayed tall and nailed the homer and single to the left of center.

joebaseball

Hill has reached his pitch count, get him out of there.

AdministrativeSky236

It is stretches like this where I realize how much we really miss cruz. Hes far from a perfect hitter, but he’s at least somewhat of a threat

endofline

This team is far from a contender. They should still be in full rebuild mode. Marcano every day at SS. Bae every day in center, Castro every day at 2nd, Suwinski everyday in left or DBh, Joe every day at 1B, etc.

Find out what you have so you can plan the next few off seasons.

hoffmark83

This team has too many career bench players and AAAA players and nothing down on the farm to ever contend

joebaseball

Swaggerty in CF. Rotate Cutch, Reynolds, and Suwinski in LF and RF.

endofline

Reynolds plays everyday. Swaggerty plays everyday in Indy till he earns his way to the Majors.

hoffmark83

Swaggerty? He has no future in the majors other than an occasional call-up

PirateRican21

Marcano 🔥

endofline

This team is closer the the May record than what we saw in April.

Wilbur Miller

I’m not sure even the 2020-22 clown shows ever managed to pack this much putrid play into a one-month stretch.

1979andCounting

There was a 4-24 stretch IIRC! This team could challenge for the putridity lead.

melkel

I’ll forgive Marcano if he learns from his TOOTBLAN, and he keeps hitting.

PirateRican21

Go Marcano, hope we found our future 2nd basemen.

PirateRican21

Reynolds has become a bad fielder, he broke in and then didn’t get fully back, this is not a one off, he has been mediocre at best for a while, this is gonna be such a bad contract.

Last edited 3 months ago by PirateRican21
bucsws2014

Over basically the equivalent of four seasons, he’s averaging 3.4 fWAR. He’s getting paid at about 1.6 WAR. He’ll like be around a 3 WAR player for another few years. That’s a good contract for the Pirates and he’s very tradeable. I have no complaints about the extension.

PirateRican21

I just felt that he has at most three good years on him, and we had him for those years, would’ve been happy to keep him the whole 3 without trading him.

melkel

I hope you’re wrong but probably right

PirateRican21

I hope I am too, just know that I was opposed to the extension, so I’m probably looking for reasons to validate my opposition.

1979andCounting

TOOTBLAN to start! The poor base coaching continues. You can’t assume these kids have their head in the game.

TNBucs

I was just reminded how thankful I am that you, Tim, and others are back to writing about the Pirates. Mackey just wrote an “Analysis” column defending Cherington’s statement about not expecting the team to be above .500 without raising the question of what it says about a GM in his fourth year who just went through an offseason signing replacements at C, 1B, RF, DH and 2 of the 5 rotation spots while bringing back All-Star-level players Reynolds, Bednar, Holderman, and Keller and still not be able to build a team that projects to be .500 or better? You can defend the comment, but how do you not address the question of why not and, if not, then when?

Wilbur Miller

Yeah, Mackey responded to a straw man. The problem isn’t the projections, per se, but the fact that BC did such a poor job of adding that the projections were bad. (And they’d probably have been even worse if Nutting hadn’t added Cutch.) Like, Why did you make these moves if your projection system still left you with a poor team?

1979andCounting

We are on a 6-18 stretch to completely give up the 12 games over .500 start. Not sure how we can be very optimistic of the build at this point. There are just so many holes in all aspects of the game but especially offense which makes it hard to win games.

AdministrativeSky236

I think the only reason for optimism is that we cant possibly continue to be this bad right? We are not good but we are not a .250 winning percentage bad

1979andCounting

We’ll .333 doesn’t seem to be a stretch. Or if the bar is raised .400.

robertkasperski

my optimism has been seeing a club that is at least in games most days with a chance to win after watching several years of not a lot of hope to even be in games most days. Never considered them contenders to win anything but I also did not see them as real contenders for the overall # 1 draft pick for 2024.

Wilbur Miller

Saw something today that illustrates just how low the Pirates set the bar. Oakland signed Jesus Aguilar as a FA for this year. After he put up a .665 OPS, they’d had enough and dfa’d him. Meanwhile, the Pirates think Carlos Santana, whose OPS is a whopping 13 points higher, was a great signing.

1979andCounting

Aguilar has a .850 OPS vs LHers so there’s something left there. Saw one journalist article plugging him into the Braves lineup. He was my bargain choice this offseason, but BC surprised us all with his spending spree and he paid $2M more for Santana. If his back heals I think he and Choi can get at least average production out of 1B.

PirateRican21

They have DFA DeJong, Andujar 2x, Underwood.

Wilbur Miller

Not sure what that shows.

PirateRican21

That they have trimmed fat, we have no one to push Santana to the bench, so DFA is almost off the table. A’s have Noda and Rooker and Beer to play 1b. Their top prospect is a 1b….

Wilbur Miller

Awfully hard to say a team has “trimmed fat” when it’s still hobbling along with Owings, Hedges and Palacios.

we have no one to push Santana to the bench

And whose doing is that? And how does it explain him playing every day and batting cleanup? It is possible to acquire useful players during the season. I’ve seen major league teams do it.

PirateRican21

That’s not what I’m saying, so maybe I misunderstood your post, yeah is poorly constructed team, but we will alway s have a team that if we lose our best player to injuries or they just have a bad year we are screwed.

1979andCounting

Choi kinda messed up the plan at 1B. I’d like to get him back in 10 days or so.

Last edited 3 months ago by 1979andCounting
statscbl

The time I was at Pirates City and spring training, it seemed like Santana helped change the culture of the clubhouse. I give a lot of the credit to what happened in April to Santana and Cutch. (Shelton benefited with an extension, imo). That being said, Santana should really be a part-time player that hits around 7 in the order.

postal911

Month of May, Pirates are bottom 5 in offense. I think that’s a more realistic sample than the hot April. 6 starting players with a sub .700 ops.

skliesen

Much more likely they are somewhere in between, but probably closer to bottom 5 than top 5 for sure. Cutch and Reynolds are only professional hitters in this lineup.

postal911

Yep. I was hoping the shift ban would help guys like Suwinski and Santana a little, but it’s not. Hopefully some prospects heat up and push some dead weight off the roster.

Wilbur Miller

The shift arguably has helped Santana. His BABIP is 41 points higher than it has been since 2019. But his walk rate and power have continued their four-year slides, with the latter just about gone. His wRC+ now stands at a scintillating 88. He’s absolutely killing this team, especially batting cleanup.

When so many fans were celebrating the signing, nobody wanted to acknowledge that he’s 37 and hasn’t had a good year since 2019. Oh, no, banning the shift was going to make all that irrelevant. Turns out it’s the other way around.

postal911

I was definitely not a fan of that signing or most of the signings. They were all 1 yr plug holes signings instead of getting guys that have a little upside that would be here for a few years. 1b market wasn’t great, I would have tried to make a trade with all this supposed minor league depth.

melkel

He would be a decent bench bat compared to what we have, Shelton would probably still misuse him.

Wilbur Miller

Veteran privilege trumps all. Among the team’s position players, if you exclude Palacios and the useless Owings, only Hayes and Hedges rank lower than Santana in OPS. Most of the regular and semi-regulars are well ahead of him. But he’s the cleanup hitter. Shelton rarely bases decisions on actual production.

melkel

I totally agree, I was hoping in the winter that BC would target a trade for a controllable 1st basemen that was either injured or blocked like Kirilloff or Busch even Sheets instead of Choi.
I have no confidence in Shelton using a pinch hitter or strategy for that manner. His 9th inning moves were idiotic.

Wilbur Miller

It’s funny. BC’s big position player additions were Santana, Choi and Hedges. Choi hasn’t played, Santana is pretty bad, and Hedges is a fiasco. Meanwhile, Cutch has been very good, but that was Nutting, not BC.

Aurorus

I think everyone was just happy the Pirates were finally spending some money. Only a few of us questioned how that money was spent. For too long the focus has been on Nutting’s spending and not on his front office choices. Would another 10 or 15 million in payroll really make a difference year in and year out? Well… you have your answer in that the best FA acquisition in the off-season was from the owner and not the GM. I think Cherrington is a fool if he does not think that his job is in serious jeopardy. The owner just proved to be a better GM than him… at least in the free agent market. I would hope that Nutting noticed this and starts to question everything that Cherrington has been doing. Everyone should have realized when we saw Cole Tucker in RF last year that Cherrington and his band of Andy Haines’s were a bunch of charlatans.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

Hayes defenders who point to his defense are like Prius drivers pointing to the fuel economy. Sure. Got it. He’s cheap and efficient and good in one aspect and ugly and dogsh*t in all others.

Last edited 3 months ago by RaisetheJollyRancherGirl
AdministrativeSky236

Damn this was aggressive for no reason at all

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

You drive a Prius?

NMR

obligatory

Pedro_Power

This is a serious question and I’d love people to weigh in with their opinions. Who was a better manager? John Russell or Derek Shelton and what is your reasoning? Thanks.

statscbl

I question how much managing Shelton does and how much is pre-determined by an analytics team that tells Shelton what to do. Whoever mentioned that he overreacts to a small sample size is spot on.

Classic example, it was probably pre-determined that Roansy would go 2 innings and to only plan for a 9 inning game (even though it was tied after 7). Instead of noticing Roansy’s stuff was filthy and let him pitch longer, they wind up having to go to Stephenson in the 10th.

Wilbur Miller

They’re the same guy.

melkel

I hate to say Shelton, Russell didn’t seem to care with his quite demeanor. Players seem to really like Shelton. Neither had good enough players to compete until this year with Shelton. Mismanagement has cost us a handful of games this year. We’ve won some we probably shouldn’t have but I can’t think of any that the Manger did something to cause the win.

TNBucs

I agree that players seem to genuinely like Shelton. I’d like to see evidence that that translates to on-field performance–is there the urgency we need on a day-in, day-out basis? Maybe every team’s fanbase thinks their players make too many mental mistakes, but we seem to have more than our share.

I also think he costs us more games than he helps us win, and that he plays favorites. Perhaps nothing epitomizes that more than his use of Gamel last year, a player who couldn’t even get a major league contract this year. Might we have benefitted from someone else getting those reps? But Gamel had that “grit” as did Crowe as do several others Shelton seems to prioritize. Of course us fans have our favorites, and maybe it’s just that my favorites don’t align with how Shelton chooses to use his roster.

But in any case, can we win with Shelton? I haven’t given up all hope but he either needs to get better (and the first step is to take responsibility for his mistakes which he’s never publicly done) or we need to accumulate so much talent that we can win despite his mistakes. Ben doesn’t seem particularly good at acquiring talent (I think he’s about average as a GM), so here’s to hoping that Shelton isn’t so stubborn that he can’t learn from mistakes.

skliesen

When is it ok to say Connor Joe is plain awful with RISP? Castro should be hitting 3rd vs LHSP.

Wilbur Miller

Joe — .128 wRISP

skliesen

I’m surprised it’s that high. I’m sure it’s even worse in May.

TNBucs

I think Shelton overreacts to small sample size results and it gets us into trouble by giving players higher leverage positions than they’re capable of handling.

skliesen

Joe sure seemed better when he was hitting lower in the order. Maybe he puts too much pressure on himself batting in middle of order?

PirateRican21

Can’t hit a slider and can’t cover the outside quadrant. Just a platoon players that had a good streak and is getting too much playing time, same with Santana, Suwinski, etc, etc.

robertrodrigues

Ok. When does the criticism, full criticism, of Hayes start” He got his contract and does nada. He needs a few weeks in the minors to “reclaim” whatever swing he had. When does a fielding only player get a $70 mill contract?

melkel

I can see that thinking, let’s get Triolo a little more time in Indy and in a couple of weeks if Hayes doesn’t turn it around send him to Indy for a few weeks to DH only to try it there. If Triolo isn’t ready play Castro at 3rd. Might be a good wakeup call.

bianco599

Hey his dad was named Charlie and I think he got the last out in a World Series game finally. Show some respect.

skliesen

No bigger Hayes supporter than me on this site, and even I’m at my wits end over his approach. Consistently lets meatballs go by without swinging, then swings at pitches well out of the zone.

Furthermore, his front shoulder seems to be flying open, maybe in an attempt to pull the ball. He’s nowhere close to the hitter he was before the wrist injury.

TNBucs

I’m not convinced Haines is a good batting coach; maybe there’s hope that good coaching can help but who knows if Hayes is open to coaching?

bucsws2014

I go back to when Cutch used to slump, constantly grounding out to left side. Then he’d go back to driving balls to the RF gap and slump would be over. Hayes should try that.

Anyway, the contract is a good one regardless of whether Hayes hits for power or drives in runs. He’s basically getting paid a little over 1 WAR value for production at a 2.3-3.0 WAR value. Economics and analytics justifies the $$. And, if one believes in analytics, she should be doing better than he is, based on a low .261 BABIP but a high average EV.

The real question should be whether Hayes is the right 3b for this team at this time, given the rosters’ lack of power.

bucsws2014

Maddening.

TNBucs

I’m sure they’re not satisfied simply winning a game a series but these last three series are just killing my belief in this team. They celebrate after the first game like they’ve won more than just a game and then they come out flat the next two.

bucsws2014

Not a fan of putting Stephenson in here. Would prefer Moreto with a guy starting on 2nd.

PirateRican21

How is Stephenson better than Underwood?

bucsws2014

He’s probably about 20% better. He needs to be 80% better to be put in a situation like that.

If one is going to criticize Shelton for relying too much on SSS, the SSS on Stephenson suggests there were three guys in the pen more suited to that situation than he was.

TNBucs

He’s not and neither was Crowe last year, but Shelton has his favorites.

jimmyz

Stephenson’s back leg isn’t consistently holding stability through his “drop and dive”ish delivery. When he reaches back for velocity in pressure spots his back leg either buckles or pushes too hard causing his front foot to land wide. Either way the result is a pitch way off the plate, then he has to calm things down to throw a strike and that leads to meatballs because he’s at his best as a thrower and not a pitcher. When he has to throw strikes its pretty much batting practice right now.

TNBucs

Stephenson is showing why teams have given up on him.

melkel

He’s the new Underwood.

melkel

Being used in the wrong situation.

PirateRican21

Ok, I’m done defending Hayes.

jimmyz

I’m done holding out hope for the bat. Even putting up a 70ish WRC he’s a positive contributor to the team. But really he just needs to accept his offensive limitations and play to his strengths in the box. Don’t chase anything and be a contact hitter. Run a .270ish average, .350ish OBP and a .85ish ISO. Just get on base, his best value offensively if probably his baserunning anyway.

TNBucs

Yeah, that was a terrible AB but so were Marcano’s last inning and Joe’s. And Cutch should have scored on Reynolds’ hit. Just bad baseball and it was only a gift by the M’s that it’s even tied.

Why are we pitching to Rodriguez?

melkel

Yep, but Shelton was an idiot in the ninth, should have let Owings bunt over Bae. Then had Marcano bat for Hedges. You would have kept a bench player. Still a bad at bat for Marcano. Joe’s in a slump and being in 3 hole is setting him up for failure partially for over using him.

TNBucs

I agree on Shelton, but the more obvious mismanagement on his part was Bednar in the 9th if he knew that meant Stephenson in the 10th–if you know you’re only going to win if there is a bottom of the 10th, do you want Bednar to come in with bases empty and Stephenson to have to deal with the runner on 2nd or the other way around? Use your closer for the tougher assignment. (Note that I don’t think Stephenson should have been used at all as he ranks below Ramirez and Moreta on my list of relievers.)

melkel

Agree totally, Shelton doesn’t play to win and if he is, he makes horrible decisions.

bucsws2014

JHC.

bucsws2014

That’ll earn Bae a bunch more starts in CF from Shelty.

melkel

At least late defensive replacement time

jimmyz

Honestly if Bae had more experience and reps in center or even the OF in general coming up through the minors he’d probably be a good CF. Still a weak arm but his routes would be way better.

TNBucs

I’d prefer Holderman here to save Bednar for the 10th.

bucsws2014

Series starting in SF tomorrow. You’d have both Holderman and Bednar out for game one. If Bucs score, I’m good with Moreta or Ramirez. M’s pen seems to go downhill fast after Saucedo.

TNBucs

Unless Bednar is available for two innings.

bucsws2014

What a waste.

jimmyz

Bae is having a solid game. Approach at the plate is better than most days, not running into unnecessary outs on basepaths and didn’t have very difficult plays to make in center but he’s made all of them.

jimmyz

Now score the winning run!

joebaseball

Holderman. A gem. He throws strikes

skliesen

Late life for the Buccos.

jimmyz

Gotta finish it. Generally a game on the road against an AL team isn’t a must win type of game and this one isn’t really on that level either but given the rough patch after the hot start, battling back in this game and still being in a close battle for first in the Central a win today would be huge.

melkel

Santana might be going on the IL for a bit, I hope they call up Shackelford if so.

jimmyz

I’d be OK with Shackelford but Mason Martin has been hitting some bombs lately so I’d live with his strikeouts for a couple weeks to see some moonshots. Realistically though any lefty coming up to play first isn’t seeing the field much. I’d expect Joe to get most of the time at first and an outfielder get called up.

melkel

Shackelford has been hitting bombs as well and batting around 270. I like Martin and hope he makes it one day but Shackelford has earned it the hard way.

Last edited 3 months ago by melkel
jimmyz

Good points and I would graciously accept Shack over Martin. Either way if, and it’s definitely still a big if, Santana goes on IL, I doubt that roster move is made until Bucs come back home from San Fran after next series. Give Santana a few days of rest and evaluation, then reassess.

skliesen

Did BC really say he didn’t expect the Club to have a winning record on this date? If I was his boss and I heard this, I’d be so pissed.

If the architect of the roster doesn’t believe in his team after 3+ years on the job, it’s obvious he’s not right for the job.

jimmyz

Or that he’s realistic and in a way makes him absolutely the right man for the job. Prior to being hired I remember BC saying when he was in Toronto as a second in command guy after his stint in Boston that he wanted to be the guy only in a situation where he built things from scratch, not inheriting someone else’s well oiled machine. I’m sure in the interview process or at least shortly after getting the gig he laid out a five year plan to Nutting of what, where, how, why and certainly when he expects to have built a winning team and culture. I doubt year three was the when part.

TNBucs

This is year four but in any case, should he be saying publicly that he doesn’t expect this team to win? Yet again, it just seems to set his buddy Shelton up for not being held accountable

skliesen

No kidding. Publicly criticising players, which in essence he’s doing, is just Bad Management 101. Not to mention makes it harder for PR department to sell tickets.

It’s inexcusable on many levels.

jimmyz

Prior to opening day did you expect this team to be above .500 at the end of the season? It’s one thing to have faith, it’s entirely different to let that faith cloud your judgment. Gimme the guy who believes in the direction and gradual growth organically over the guy who shoots his shot from 200 yards too far away and scrambles to reload before the target leaves his sight.

jimmyz

Roansy coming out of the bullpen even with VV going on the IL is a good sign to me. I’ve always thought his future in MLB was going to be as a backend/leverage reliever.

bucsws2014

I still expect Ro to start on Friday.

jimmyz

Considering how quick that inning went for him it wouldn’t surprise me but I’d prefer him in the bullpen.

bucsws2014

I suppose with a day off on Thursday they could go with just four guys this week, then bring up Priester during the Oakland series if they think he’s ready and it’s past the Super Two date.

jimmyz

Also this game is one of my three nephew’s first MLB game. He probably doesn’t care about the game and just wants my brother to buy him everything in the stadium that has sugar in it but I want a win for him

melkel

Hedges looks like a scruffy Andrew Dice Clay

skliesen

Wish he hit as hard as the Dice man. OHHHH!!!

joebaseball

Owings with a hit. Will wonders never end

melkel

Block just mentioned we hit 7 homeruns on Friday, sometimes he makes my head hurt.

skliesen

Ortiz has given up 2 HR’s that have only travelled 705 feet total. Bad luck.

TNBucs

Hard contact on both, just unusually high LAs for HRs.

melkel

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