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Pirates Discussion: Pirates Sweep the Reds

The Pittsburgh Pirates head into their final off day on Thursday, before six games in six days with the St. Louis Cardinals to end the season.

On Wednesday afternoon, the Pirates beat the Cincinnati Reds for the seventh time in a row, and their second straight sweep of the Reds.

Bryse Wilson pitched a phenomenal game that was highlighted by a supposedly new splitter. Sites like Baseball Savant are calling it a changeup, but since he threw eight shutout innings I decided we’ll give Wilson — or more so the broadcast team who emphasized the pitch and that he’d been working on it — the benefit of the doubt and call it a splitter. Wilson threw 61 of his 90 pitches for strikes, with 26 being sinkers and 24 splitters (labeled as changeups). Bryse had six strike outs to one walk and all three hits he gave up were to Reds rookie Jose Barrero.

The Pirates had a 3-0 lead when Wilson left the game after eight innings. Miguel Andujar went 2-for-4 on the day with a RBI double in the first inning for a 1-0 lead. In the second inning with bases loaded and one out, Oneil Cruz crushed a ball off the RF wall to score two runs and 3-0 lead.

It seemed it was going to end up being a quiet finish from there until Chase De Jong came out for the ninth inning. Things got ugly quickly as a Kyle Farmer two-run HR and then a Jake Fraley solo HR tied the game at three before De Jong even got an out. The game would end up going into extras after the Pirates came up empty handed in the bottom of the ninth.

Yohan Ramirez pitched the 10th and had a short appearance, setting the Reds down in order on only six pitches.

In the bottom half the Pirates had runners on first and second with two outs when Kevin Newman stepped to the plate and dropped a 2-2 pitch into short center to give the Pirates a 4-3 walk-off win in extras.

The Pirates are now only one game behind the Reds, before heading into a home and home series with the Cardinals to finish off the season.

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Raised in Cranberry Twp, PA, Jeff attended Kent State University and worked in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, before moving to New Orleans in September of 2012. His background is as an Engineering Designer, but he has always had a near unhealthy passion for Pittsburgh sports. Hockey and Baseball are his 1A and 1B, combined with his mathematical background, it's led to Jeff's desire in diving into analytics. Jeff is known as Bucs'N'Pucks in the comments, and began writing for Pirates Prospects in 2022 after contributing so many useful bits of information in the comment section.

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ArkyWags

Even though his stuff is mediocre (yesterday aside), I like Wilson. He looks like Hemingway. There really is nothing helpful beyond that astute observation.

Last edited 2 months ago by ArkyWags
PiratePrimate

Wilson’s “stuff” isn’t as mediocre as that fat, bearded misogynist who wrote juvenile pulp you say he looks like

Wilbur Miller

There’s a funny portrayal of Hemingway in The Moderns. You might like it.

PiratePrimate

Saw it years ago and laughed. Met a couple people who knew him and they admitted he was a poseur, a manic depressive and a drunk. He had a good prose style which influenced the world and I’ll give his short stories credit but jesus, what embarrassing dialogue, female characters and plot in all the novels. That clipped language which the movies adopted when talkies came in made Hemingway. He was good newspaperman who got lucky and it went to his head and his liver.

joesolo6181

I hate to say this but watching the game on MLB network I was shocked that Wilson was not allowed to finish what he started. When De Jong came into pitch I yelled to the wife that the Pirates are going to lose the game. It almost came to fruition but they pulled it out in 10. Maybe they can pass the Reds with the few games that are remaining but St. Louis will be a tough matchup.

SBRO

Oh man, I’ve been ready to move on from Wilson for several months, and just when I can taste the non-tender, he unveils a pitch that generates quick outs and whiffs. Important reminder that he’s only 24, so the development door is far from shut.

Last edited 2 months ago by SBRO
hoffmark83

Let’s see if he can do this against a winning team.

AttyMike

Let’s not get too excited about any performance against the Reds.

patrick_kelly

He’s looked like a serviceable back-end guy to at least start in the 2023 rotation. This new pitch might be a game changer for him.

SBRO

No options left, if they send him to AAA he’d have to pass through waivers and almost certainly be claimed.

ArkyWags

Let’s see if he can do it more than once.

robertkasperski

I hope he gets one more against the Cards to see if he can repeat.

Catch_22

My dude, Keller has spun 21 starts in a row and you’re still questioning him.

ArkyWags

Cause Keller’s good two months and Wilson’s one good afternoon are totally the same thing! If you wanna go fully into proclaiming Keller to be some sort of #2 starter after a nice heater, be my guest. I’m just gonna temper my expectations and settle for a solid starter. Which is fine, isn’t it?

Also, it certainly hasn’t been 21 starts in a row. Mitch’s ERA in August was well over 4. He’s had a good second half overall.

Last edited 2 months ago by ArkyWags
Catch_22

I’m not sure why you keep saying 2 months.

Since Keller incorporated the slider, he’s had 20 starts. That’s all of June, July, August and Sept. He’s pitched a total of 110 innings during those 20 starts, while giving up 39 earned runs. That equals a 3.19 era (39/110 = 0.3545454 x 9 = 3.1909086.

This isn’t some *heater* this is a pitcher who made a change (incorporated a 2-seamer) and there has been objective results due to the 2-seamer.

Since he’s incorporated the 2-seamer, he’s no doubt a #2 starter. The objective evidence is right there.

Catch_22

*sinker

Catch_22

My bad, he has 21 starts since the sinker. His first was vs LAD, he went 5 and gave up 2. So, technically his era since the sinker is 3.20.

robertkasperski

psssttt!!!! Bryce is the guy Arky, patrick, and SBRO are talking about and not Mitch.

Catch_22

Oh, Yeah. I’m just saying if he’s still questioning Keller after 3 months of really good starts, he’s going to need to see more than once with Bryce

TNBucs

I didn’t know anything about Liberato until seeing that he was DFA’d a couple of days ago, but he seems to be worth a claim, especially if they have doubts about Swaggerty. In AAA this year he had a .895 OPS. It was the PCL but still clearly above average. And he’s held his own in the Dominican Winter League. Options remaining, ability to play all OF positions, just 26, …

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/padres-select-brandon-dixon.html

hoffmark83

Thanks but no thanks.

AttyMike

Why? He’s just another guy. Don’t you get tired of these types of waiver claims?

TNBucs

I’m putting additional stock on the DOWL results to suggest that he might be comparable to Swaggerty, and with the way they’ve handled Swaggerty I can’t tell if they really like him so don’t want to rush him or think he is not a major leaguer which is why he was barely given an opportunity when he was called up.

docdon385

Grabbing this guy would appear to make some sense for the Pirates, which is why I wouldn’t expect it.

b mcferren

Have they called Endy up to the big league team yet today?

jon6er

They say he has a ‘hip problem’!

docdon385

He caught last night for Indy and had two hits including a home run. It’s the Pirates who have a “hip” problem if the word is used as an adjective. They ain’t “with it.”

jon6er

I didn’t realize until a few hours after I posted that I was two days late. I had a really bad reaction to a vaccine and lost Tues. and most of Weds. I’ve never had a bad reaction to any medicines in my life and I’m 68 so it was a wild ride.

AttyMike

So Shelton yanks Wilson who’s working on a complete game. Anyone think that was kind of shitty? Regardless of De Jong blowing the lead. I think the guy deserved a shot to finish it off, especially having thrown only 90 pitches and who cares about the outcome of the game.

bucsws2014

Said it last night, but I think if Wilson didn’t hit Solano in 8th, he would’ve started the 9th.

TNBucs

I wasn’t able to watch so don’t know if his stuff was starting to decline, but looking at the box score and seeing that he had only 90 pitches through 8 and a 3-run lead, I thought why the heck not let him go out for the 9th?

john_fluharty

Probably just wanted to get him out of there before things blew up in the night

john_fluharty

9th I mean

robertkasperski

Hope all is well as it can be for our Florida people and their loved ones this morning.

Wilbur Miller

F***ing Ian blew over my cassia tree!!!

Iowasteel

Glad you are back in your home. I am thinking of buying a lottery ticket. I went through the whole storm and never lost power for more than a 10 second interval.

john_fluharty

Had to look that up. Very pretty trees. Sad to see it go. 😟

Last edited 2 months ago by john_fluharty
Wilbur Miller

I think it’s salvageable, but I’m not a tree expert. Butterflies love the thing.

robertkasperski

Well, that sucks…… At least your cats did not do you in for removing them their home…..well at least not yet…………

john_fluharty

With some extra catnip they may forgive and forget…

robertkasperski

My youngest has 3 cats like Wilbur. Catnip just might increase the homicidal tendencies in very angry felines. I have seen some very scary looks out of those critters  😂  😂  😂 

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