Pirates Discussion: The Losing Streak is at Seven as Pirates Take on Cardinals in Double Header

I think the beauty of baseball is that any team can beat the best team in the league.

The Pirates can beat the Dodgers. And then look like one of the worst teams in the league for a week. Inside of the same month.

Yesterday, the Pirates extended their losing streak to seven games with a 7-5 loss against the Cardinals.

Today, they take on St. Louis in a double-header. Game one begins at 1:15 PM EST, with JT Brubaker on the mound. Game two will feature Bryse Wilson at 7:45 PM EST.

We will post lineups when they are available. Use the comments below to discuss the big league team and both games today.

GAME ONE LINEUPS (Jason Delay is making his big league debut):

Pirates

Cardinals

Pirates lost 3-1 in the opener. Game two lineups will be posted below when available. Game starts at 7:45 PM and Bryse Wilson gets the start.

GAME TWO LINEUPS

Prior to the game, the Pirates brought back Heath Hembree from the injured list and optioned Jason Delay to the minors.

Pirates

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patrick_kelly

Lots of teeth gnashing over here. I’m still of the mindset that this year was a chance to churn the roster and get young, quick. It’s happening faster than I anticipated due to injuries. As long as the guys coming off IR don’t last long on the roster and it stays young, I’ll be happy. Tonight sucked and showed where the team is. It’s ugly. And I’m okay with that, for now. CSN just got the call. Cruz will be there…soon? If after the ASB they are still playing has-been a and retreads over the kids, I’ll join in with my pitch-fork. Commence calling me an idiot!

b mcferren

who did we trade Mikolas for again?

Wilbur Miller

Chris McGuiness

roibert.kasperski

The Bucs had him for 5 whole days til the trade to Texas. Texas gave up on him and released him and nobody wanted him. Went to Japan and learned to pitch.

PiratePrimate

You get what you pay for and we got nothing

Last edited 20 days ago by PiratePrimate
roibert.kasperski

Welp everyone wanted the kids. I still want the kids. Need them to play in the majors now so they can get the experience.

PiratePrimate

But they need major league ballplayers around them. Reynolds and Hayes are still young and not enough.

roibert.kasperski

Patience Grasshopper. I have said for the last couple of seasons that once the kids started to arrive that there will be more viable additions coming from outside via some trades and some moderate FA signings. I believe that Hayes was give an indication of the plans or else he would have never extended giving up FA time. I hope that I am right and with all due luck we will all be happier this time next season 🙂

skliesen

Suck it Mikolos!

roibert.kasperski

Thank goodness their outfield loves to play in figuring they can get back to everything and they usually do making the plays look spectacular. Bader should have been back 3-4 steps. Cost his pitcher the no hitter.

MB21

Any team that fields Hoy Park, Yu Chang and Michael Perez in the same lineup deserves to be no-hit. Even in a rebuilding year, this is completely embarrassing.

Last edited 20 days ago by MB21
Wilbur Miller

I’ll be curious to see whether Dumbo has the teeny little bit of intelligence needed to hit for .102 Perez in the ninth.

Wilbur Miller

Nope.

Catch_22

1-800-BUY-BUCS

redwards60

Now its Gorman…you know, the guy we had the good fortune of him falling to the Pirates but NH took Swaggerty instead…the rest is history. Cardinals are a major league baseball organization, while the Pirates are a clown show.

redwards60

This embarrassing loss is on BC…for making the decision to bring Wilson back to Pittsburgh in any role, let alone starting a divisional game. If BC’s goal was to throw yet another game way by calling up the worst starting pitcher option available, he was successful. I don’t have much faith in BC…starting to understand how he did the impossible…getting fired as GM of the Red Sox. Then to make matters even worse, he calls up the worst bullpen option available in Hembree.

Wilbur Miller

All of it’s on the GM. As incompetent as Shelton is, the simple fact is that this doesn’t remotely resemble a major league team. It’s not the clubhouse atmosphere, or the coaching, or knowing the right way to play the game. For the third year in a row, the hitting is horrendous and the pitching is very bad. There’s no sign of progress, nothing getting better. There aren’t any metaphysical reasons why they suck. There’s just one reason — They’re putting very bad players on the field.

skliesen

I disagree about “all” of it being on BC. DS needs to wear some of the blame due to his inability to manage the game effectively with any consistency. Taking Thompson out after 67 pitches the other night is just one of many examples of piss poor managerial competence.

But the most blame definitely lies with Nutting. He has created this culture and he has absolutely no idea how to cure the cancer of losing he has methodically constructed for longer than either BC or DS have been with the organization.

ArkyWags

Who cares if it’s a divisional game or against SD? Wilson shouldn’t start anyway.

AdministrativeSky236

I mean DS has control over the pen, not BC. Also, theres absolutely no reason not to use your worst bullpen arms right now as we are being blown out. As for not having a more viable depth starting option than wilson… that one is on BC lol

bucsws2014

Wilson is fine. Just needs 2 innings to warm up.😄

Last edited 20 days ago by bucsws2014
ricramer

Suwinski graduates from prospect status.

PiratePrimate

So if Bryce is gonna take one for the team, how many runs will Shelton let him give up before he decides to stop the batting practice?

jon6er

Him and Marin are probably laughing about that right now, lol.

chappy

Goldschmidt-possible HOF’er-against Wilson, possible AAA pitcher. No contest. Goldschmidt is 2008 Pujols reincarnated Pirate killer.

John Fluharty

He is the definition of a AAAA pitcher.

redwards60

He’s not good enough to be AAAA….definitely AAA or worse

PiratePrimate

His picture’s in the book of AAAA pitchers.

AdministrativeSky236

It has been a rough day for pitching in the pirates org

hoffmark83

The hitting has been no better

patrick_kelly

Looks like my evening is freeing up.

Drufan11

I don’t ever want to see Bryce Wilson on the mound for the pirates. Turns out he is not good at baseball.

chappy

I just need to adjust my expectations to account for the reality that with the young players we are basically putting out a AAA/AAAA lineup out there until these guys mature.

hoffmark83

The players they have up here now will never be any better than what they are now. Other than Reynolds and Hayes it’s a team of Utility players, 4th outfielders and AAA/AAAA players.

chappy

That is a ridiculous hot take and almost for certain completely false.

hoffmark83

Keep telling yourself that. Five years from now when they are STILL drafting in the top 5 maybe you will come to your senses

PiratePrimate

So this is what the fast track to oblivion looks like

AdministrativeSky236

We are in a bad way right now, something needs to change

patrick_kelly

Well, this is suboptimal.

Wilbur Miller

At least we don’t have to worry about Hembree blowing a lead.

AdministrativeSky236

Im gonna put it out there, bryse wilson isnt good

b mcferren

we want a pitcher

not a belly itcher

Wilbur Miller

So Bryse Wilson is still Bryse Wilson. Who’d have thought.

PiratePrimate

He just needs an opener

Wilbur Miller

And a closer. And a few middle guys.

hoffmark83

With this lineup the Pirates stand no chance in game 2. My Jolly Roger will be raised before theirs

bucsws2014

TMI

b mcferren

are yinz going to post an article about Chavis being traded to the Braves?

AJ Smith-Shawver looks like a gamer!

AdministrativeSky236

I feel like the article should feature acuña jr more than that AJ dude, he will look really good in RF!

patrick_kelly

Castillo had his issues in game one. Glad to see him back out there for two. Maybe a good showing will wipe that one from his memories.

skliesen

If I’m DS, when I bring the lineup card out for the game tonight, I’d ask the Ump’s if they plan on consulting Molina before making a call like they did last game.

jon6er

Postgame DS says they got the call right but I missed any on field explanation from the umps if they gave one. To me they simply missed a call and end of story and especially since balks aren’t reviewable.

RAS TN

Well, two down and two to go, after that the Giants and Cubs on the very near horizon…

John Dreker

Come back later for game two of the doubleheader. Lineups will be posted as soon as they are available

roibert.kasperski

Finally a liner to left/left center to drop in. Smalls out there now ??

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

CSN FOR NL ROY!!!!!

PiratePrimate

It’s time to win a game we don’t deserve

skliesen

Wishful thinking.

roibert.kasperski

Always good to dare to dream 🙂

skliesen

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before, Pirates waste a good pitching performance with an anemic offensive showing.

Won’t even get into the Little League quality defense played at SS.

1979andCounting

Beede was really good. JT seems to get shoddy defense every time out.

skliesen

Just give Molina a blue shirt. The other 4 guys wearing them clearly do whatever he tells them to do.

jon6er

They need a little help since arguing a balk is automatic ejection but they will get around that by claiming Shelton was arguing the other crazy part of the play and not the balk. then on the other hand balks are not reviewable ‘by replay’ so they will use the umpire review thingy which I still don’t understand because the inning was over so we should hear some good bullshit from the league office on this one.

skliesen

I don’t care what league office or the Blue Shirts say about the play, it’s plainly clear they decided since Molina thought it was a balk, it must’ve been a balk.

Hard to tell what was worse today, Castillo or the Blue Shirts.

I suppose when you’re shitty, shitty things come your way.

jon6er

I was half joking when I wrote that but this was the most egregious and blatant case of favoritism I’ve ever seen at the major level.

1979andCounting

The 5th umpire again.

1979andCounting

Well now I thought Vogey got ejected. ?? Crazy to let him play 1B in a close game. You know he hasn’t taken any balls there since ST.

roibert.kasperski

I could have sworn he was at 1B for a game or two early looking a little ugly but must have been spring training games.

agent00

after that chang home run, this is how cherington feels:

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I’d been waiting for Chang to do that. The strikeouts began to drop. He was making solid contact. Just needed to get behind one that wasn’t right at someone.

roibert.kasperski

Chang homers……………….

roibert.kasperski

What the Yu Chang Homer really means………………….

John Fluharty

Cha-Chang!

Catch_22

Timmy Chang

NMR

jon6er

Todays a prime example of why not just anyone can play first base anymore than any infielder can play the outfield. Goldie picks most of those bad throws.

1979andCounting

It’s a morning game in St.L. Castillo must have closed a place down at 5:00 a.m. this morning.

roibert.kasperski

Actually he thought he was doing good by watching film all night of former MLB infielders making throws to try make himself even better. To bad he watched a lot of film of Pedro Alvarez, Josh Bell and Steve Sax…………………….

skliesen

Probably not the best time to be picking on Steve Sax.

roibert.kasperski

Did not know about his son until googling his name after you posted this. Sad to hear. Was not picking on Steve as a person. just was thinking of players that had issues throwing which he did. I lost my wife a couple of years ago and that was bad enough. Could never imagine having to bury one of my kids. Prayers for Steve and his family.

PiratePrimate

Poor kid. Over exposed and not ready for prime time

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

lol and there’s still a FULL game to go after this one

mikeschalke

Yep get some dinner then get ready for another loss.

PiratePrimate

Let’s play two! Bad baseball is every American’s right to watch. We’ll even pay for it!

Last edited 20 days ago by PiratePrimate
hoffmark83

This is what happens when you field a team whose payroll is less than the price of a gallon of gasoline

Wilbur Miller

To be philosophical about this, the notion seemed to be developing that this isn’t a bad team. Their miserable play — highlighted by guys batting .100, the bullpen giving up masses of runs, and other embarrassments — is at least clarifying, for anybody paying attention, that this roster still needs massive changes for this team to be competitive, much less a winner.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

What?! But the smartest guy on Twitter, that Tim allegedly murdered for 2 minutes and 47 seconds, said this was a WC contending team. Then that they were a disaster. Then that they were a WC team again, especially if they’d just promote Cruz.

Wilbur Miller

Must have missed this.

1979andCounting

Castillo had been a very steady SS……until that inning! Three miscues. At least he made the last throw to Delay.

John Fluharty

After three bad throws I’m surprised he didn’t carry the ball over to him, or at least roll it.

PiratePrimate

At best he’s a good utility infielder when he has had enough experience but to ask a minor league player to be an everyday major league SS is doing him a disservice and is one more reason that Bob Nutting is a piece of shit.

Catch_22

At the end of the day, he’s probably a replacement level guy

Wilbur Miller

So he’ll be an upgrade . . . .

Catch_22

You replace shit with more shit, you still have shit

John Fluharty

Ah but what is the consistency and firmness of the aforementioned feces.

skliesen

As bad as it was, and it was the worst inning I can remember by a player ever, I was expecting worse once he started throwing the ball around.

PiratePrimate

I saw Tommy Davis make three errors on two plays in one inning in a World Series game so this was small potatoes but it’s one more indictment of Bob Nutting and his parisimonious ways

AdministrativeSky236

How did yadi just get a balk overturned? What

PiratePrimate

You think this is bad? Bring Cruz up and let him play short.

skliesen

Can’t downvote this enough times.

John Fluharty

Chuz has committed like 11 years in the last 28 games, but I doubt he’d hit 200 to go along with it.

PiratePrimate

Then you haven’t seen him play SS

Wilbur Miller

Either that, or you haven’t seen the Pirates play baseball.
Or whatever it is they’re doing.

PiratePrimate

Hell, you want to bring someone up to play SS, bring up Peguero. At least we can live with errors if the guy is OJT but this just throwing warm bodies out to fill spots is embarrassing. This is supposed to be the Major Leagues.

Wilbur Miller

Fine by me.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Am I watching a MLB game?

*rubs eyes*

This can’t be a major league game. No way.

Wilbur Miller

Half of it is.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

So THIS is what it must be like watching a DSL game

Wilbur Miller

Without the fun

skliesen

Can Castillo be sent down and Cruz called up between games today?

Catch_22

Strange part is Castillo probably had his best game as a Bucco last night.

AdministrativeSky236

What did i even just watch

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