Gerrit Cole Gets Some Mentions Among Top Ten Starting Pitchers

MLB Network continued their rankings of the top ten players at each position on Thursday night. Gerrit Cole didn’t make the main list for the show(known as the Shredder), but he did get some notice from guests on the show.

Mike Petriello, who is a baseball analyst for MLB.com, had Cole ranked ninth overall.

Vince Gennaro, who is the President of SABR, had Cole ranked seventh.

Brian Kenny, John Smoltz and Bill James did not have Cole in their top ten.

The rankings are based on what to expect from the pitchers in the 2016 season. Cole turned 25 in September and he’s coming off a season in which he had a 2.60 ERA in 208 innings, with 202 strikeouts and an 1.09 WHIP. He finished fourth in the NL Cy Young voting.

The Shredder’s top ten from 1-10 had Clayton Kershaw, Jake Arrieta, Zack Greinke, David Price, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, Corey Kluber, Dallas Keuchel, Felix Hernandez and Adam Wainwright.

Jose Fernandez, Jacob DeGrom, Matt Harvey, Jon Lester, Cole Hamels, Carlos Carrasco and Madison Bumgarner all made at least one top ten list.

They have now covered four positions on MLB Network. Andrew McCutchen was ranked between 2-4 by everyone for center fielders last Thursday. The Pirates came up empty at first base and shortstop.

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JT Crown

After Kluber’s 2015, how in the world can he be a top 10 right now—-and Waino cranking out 28 innings last year…Degrom and Cole should’ve replaced those 2 on the list

dk79

Cole is the youngest in the group based on age, Greinke is 7 years older. BTW, some good young pitchers break out close to the 500 innings mark. Some get better. Others learn a new pitch, etc

thecrow124

I would take Chris Sale over anyone not named Kershaw.

ArthurDayne

Id like to see what Jose Fernandez could do over an entire healthy season.

Kozy21

Top 10 pitchers based on Fangraphs WAR for 2015:
Kershaw, Arrieta, Price, Scherzer, Sale, Keuchel, Greinke, Kluber, Cole, Archer

Catch22

I can’t in good faith rank Price that high with his playoffs duds. That’s also why I have Kershaw 2nd.

Kozy21

That’s why I’d take MadBum over Price. Honestly, based on big game performance, I’d take MadBum, Waino, and Hamels over just about anyone.

Catch22

I was taking all things into consideration. Kershaw is the best pitcher going, but he gets bumped down a spot because of his post season. Same goes for Price…..I’m really high on Noah Syndergaard

Kozy21

Even with his playoff failings, Kershaw is the best pitcher in baseball. He’s probably the best pitcher since Pedro.

Catch22

My top 10

Greinke-Kershaw-Fernandez-Cole-DeGrom-Sale-Harvey-Arrieta-Price-Syndergaard.

Kozy21

I’d take MadBum over half those guys. I can’t stand the guy but he’s one of the best big game pitchers I’ve ever seen.

Luke S

In 2014. His first 2 postseason runs were inherently normal.

Kozy21

…and that 2014 run was a sight to behold.

Luke S

Right, but its also unlikely to be indicative of future performance and not much to prove he’s that level of elite in every postseason.

For me, it seems like you have to guess right at which top arm is going to have a great 3 games in the postseason and who is gonna be MadBum in 2012/Price most years/Kershaw etc etc. In any given year, about 3 elite arms wont look good in the postseason and 2 years later some of those same guys throw 2 shutout games late in the postseason.

Kozy21

I’d take Cole over Kluber, Keuchel, Scherzer, King Felix, Waino, Lester, Carrasco, and Harvey.

NMR

Jesus there’s a ton of great pitching in baseball right now…

Scott Kliesen

And hopefully a couple more on the way wearing the letter P on their head.

Ian Rothermund

I think the technology, training, and game prep definitely benefit the pitchers to a greater degree than the hitters.

EWS34

I just don’t see Jake A duplicated his historic second half. He would be 6-10, not 2nd.

leefoo

at least we better HOPE he can’t. 🙂

ccorazz

No way he keeps that up.

Blaine Huff

After Kershaw, it’s a mixed bag of the names above as a top pitcher and Cole definitely belongs in that group.

Scott K

Definitely agree.

NMR

An nobody has even mentioned guys like Archer, Cueto, or Gray…

Kozy21

I’d rank them Archer, Gray, Cueto at this point. Archer would definitely be in my top 10.

Paul Newmeyer

Not that he needs it, but thanks for the added motivation. I enjoy watching him compete more than pitch. I believe he will do well in holding down the fort until the other two young guns arrive and excel afterwards in showing them the way.

Luke S

Its the Pirate fan in my coming out, but i honestly dont see Waino as top 10 going forward. Still very good, still a guy who can take over a game, but normal age regression and the body getting older in general make me think he’s not destined for 220 innings and 2.5 ERA like stuff.

tedwins

The Waino inclusion certainly had me doing one of my (In) famous eye rolls, and then trying to concentrate again and finish the rest of the article to no avail.. try again later to finish 🙂

Y2JGQ2

Agree Luke, I guess injury concerns keep Jose off the list along with Harvey (I guess?) and degrom just a little too young still- I am not sure why cole wouldn’t make the list, but wainright is the only obvious player that made me scratch my head, although he sure as hell could end up winning 20 games, there is more risk there than with cole

Scott Kliesen

You would think, but he’s an elite competitor who wills himself to pitch his best in biggest moments. Literally nothing he does would surprise me this season.

Luke S

Reasonable people can disagree, but i hate the characterization that he simply wills himself to pitch great at certain times.

He certainly does well, but its his talent and ability to trust that talent that allow him to play well. Not sure he suddenly goes “gotta be great now as opposed to the rest of the year”.

Bill W

Yes the guy has not pitched a meaningful game in a year.

emjayinTN

IMO, it is the typical annual homage to guys like Wainwright and Felix Hernandez who finished 2015 with a 2.8 WAR, well behind Cole. Cole should have been No. 9 – his progression alone over the past 3 years earned him that, and he had one of the 10 best seasons for a SP in 2015.

James I can understand. Brian Kenny is a mystery to me. Smoltz? He has a good golf swing.

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