Pirates Discussion: A Week In New York

After spending the last couple months taking a beating, the  Pittsburgh Pirates had a chance to sweep the Cincinnati Reds and take a four game winning streak on the road to New York.

Roansy Contreras started the finale and had a strong (yet short) day. Over four innings, Contreras held the Reds to one run while collecting three strike outs. He allowed three hits with 34 of his 55 pitches going for strikes. He could have collected his sixth victory but was pulled after the fourth with a 3-1 lead intact.

The offense had a field day on Wednesday. Ke’Bryan Hayes finished the day 3-for-5 with a double and RBI. Rodolfo Castro went 2-for-5 with his 9th HR and four RBI’s, for 20 on the season. Oneil Cruz had four K’s, but also made sure to leave Cincy with his 15th HR when he hit a two-run shot in the 8th.

Overall the Pirates managed to score 10 runs.

Tyler Beede and Miguel Yajure covered the final five innings.

Beede gave up a solo HR in the 5th inning and finished two innings with three hits, a strike out, and the one earned run.

Yajure threw the final three innings with two hits, a walk, two earned runs and two strike outs.

The Pirates completed the four game sweep by handing the Reds a 10-4 loss.

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After sweeping the Reds, the Pirates head to New York City for a week.

To start the road trip the Pirates will visit the New York Mets for four games. The Mets are currently the midst of a battle with the Atlanta Braves for the NL East division title.

Max Scherzer made a rehab start for Triple-A affiliate Syracuse Mets on Wednesday, so it’s unlikely the Pirates will have to see him this weekend. But then again, he’s Max Scherzer and it’d be the Pirates luck they activate him for Sunday.

Maybe the Pirates can ride the momentum from the Reds series and help knock the Mets out of the division lead.

Pirates @ Mets

Time: 7:20 PM EST

Pirates Starter: JT Brubaker (3-11, 4.36)

Mets Starter: Carlos Carrasco (14-6, 3.80)

Brubaker Notes: In his previous start against the St. Louis Cardinals, JT Brubaker tossed six innings while allowing three earned runs. Brubaker opened the year with a rough first month that saw a 6.20 ERA through his first 20.1 IP. Since then he has a 4.04 ERA over 118.0 IP. He has a 3.75 FIP and 3.69 xFIP over those 118.0 IP, with a 3.90 FIP and 3.87 xFIP for the full season.

UPDATE: Beede/Peters gone, Stout back

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Wilbur Miller

So the Pirates spent a week in NY last night. Where to next?

AdministrativeSky236

A week’s worth of K’s maybe lol

RAS TN

Either the Pirate hitters had no clue what Carrasco’s repertoire was or the hitters were just guessing all night…

TNBucs

How cool is this?

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34600221/tampa-bay-rays-use-all-latin-american-starting-lineup-roberto-clemente-day

It almost makes me want to switch allegiance. That kind of Latin American talent also helps explain why they’re so consistently good. Hope is on the way for us. At some point in the next couple of years we could have Cruz, Castro, Peguero, Endy, Nunez, and Contreras/Oviedo/Ortiz in the starting lineup on a regular basis. Add Marcano and/or Castillo getting starts as a utility player and we’d almost be there.

bucsws2014

Pirates are not living up to Clemente’s legacy. But Mets are doing Cleon Jones proud.

AdministrativeSky236

Holy strikeouts

1979andCounting

Lugo is freaking nasty. And it’s a mop up role and Showalter brings in this guy! That’s how you build a bullpen…..the depth is a manager’s dream.

1979andCounting

Well……Trevor Williams is in the pen. Forgot about him. Would like to see him in the 9th.

TNBucs

I was surprised seeing how good he has been out of the pen (areguably better than anyone other than Bednar in our pen). In 79.1 innings he’s averaging nearly a K per inning, a WHIP of 1.2 and has a 2.95 ERA, though his FIP is 3.79 (still respectable). Hopefully that’s solid enough to make their playoff roster.

1979andCounting

Just another pitcher who has improved greatly since leaving the team! And Marin had him for the shortened 2020 season, although I think I recall Williams was working with Marin out in AZ during the COVID shutdown……so more than enough time for Marin to help him. Instead we got a 6.18 era and the most HRs allowed in the NL!!

NMR

Ironically, by going back to almost the exact same pitch mix Williams found success with under Searage…

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/trevor-williams/16977/stats?position=P

With sinkers back in vogue across the league, the Ray Searage Redemption Tour rolls on.

PirateRican21

Suwinski with another golden sombrero.

TNBucs

It’s frustrating because they sent him down to work on contact and other than the last 3 games he was down, there was nothing to suggest that he had fixed his problems (in his last ten games down, for example, he had 11 Ks against only 3 BBs in 39 PAs with an OPS of .545). Was there anyone at PP that thought it made sense to bring him back up when they did? I recall a couple chimed in that the FO must have seen a difference in approach, swing path, etc. But here we are in a 0-15 stretch with 8 Ks and 0 BBs.

Maybe he just can’t play on the road–he was quite good the last homestand against three playoff teams (.828 OPS) but 0-fer since leaving Pittsburgh.

bucsws2014

Just a sombrero as of now. If he gets to bat in 9th, he’ll have a shot at gilding that thing.

Last edited 12 days ago by bucsws2014
PirateRican21

I thought three was golden, platinum the 4th.

PirateRican21

That Mitchell throw was cute! Almost got it to the cut off guy on the fly!

1979andCounting

Hit it to Lindor…….that new glove ain’t broke in a lick! That’s brave to use a stiff glove at SS.

chappy

Truly the dumbest thing I have seen on a baseball broadcast ever! Are we really talking to a player who is playing in the field? Shut up. Leave them alone. Please, please get rid of this now.

AdministrativeSky236

I usually really enjoy having a mic’d player on the field tbh i find it entertaining

bucsws2014

I saw an earlier game on Fox where the player (don’t recall who) was pretty damn funny. I don’t think Lindor was particularly entertaining.

PirateRican21

1979andCounting

This is not the Reds lineup. :((

PirateRican21

Find it hard to believe that 24 homeruns is the mEts record for a SS.

Iowasteel

I know Carrasco is good, but this is quite the whiff -fest.

PirateRican21

What is Polanco doing back on RF?

1979andCounting

The Jon Nunnally approach in the first inning? Guys looking for their perfect pitch……it just isn’t a good strategy with 2 strikes!! Come on!

jon6er

I’ve watched so much professional baseball in my life and I can’t remember watching so many players taking third strikes and many of them right down the middle and all on the same team and in the same season. It has to be some weird philosophy from this coaching staff.

RAS TN

Pirates recall LHP Eric Stout, DFA pitchers Tyler Beede and Dillon Peters…

PirateRican21

I think that Stout is the less talented of those three, but really….

jon6er

I was thinking the same, lol

TNBucs

It’s Roberto Clemente Day, and the Pirates and Mets will all be wearing 21!

jon6er

It would have been great if Roberto Perez would have been able to play tonight as a Pirate.

1979andCounting

We need to finish 8 – 11 to avoid 100 L. Definitely plausible, have 3 with the Reds, 4 with Cubbies. The kids are doing well, fun team to watch lately.

Wilbur Miller

Hopefully Hodge ‘n Podge won’t torpedo things.

jon6er

They have already loaded the tubes since they are now reversing building pitchers up to shutting them down which would make sense if you hadn’t already declared you were watching their innings early to build them up and then just randomly shut them down again. I can live with it because I sure would hope for a full year out of Roansy next year but the mixed messages about every facet of the Pirates going forward to next year isn’t doesn’t build a wall of confidence!

piratemike

Just hope the Pirates don’t embarrass themselves on national TV.

1979andCounting

I had the same concerns. Is 16 K’s, and 4 hits embarrassing? I think so.

skliesen

When are they on National TV?

jon6er

It’s Roberto Clemente Day when all teams wear #21 I believe.

1979andCounting

They are on Fox tonite (Thurs.)

roibert.kasperski

Tonight on Fox

RAS TN

This is no way to end the season, it’s sending the wrong message to the fans. Losing is the way now just buying into that…

Mets are not hitting so maybe there is a slim chance of some success, or not…

Wilbur Miller

Just looked at the standings. That sweep did a number on the Bucs’ draft status.

Oh well, staggering to a simpering finish is one thing if you’re playing VanMeters and Yoshis, something entirely different if you’re playing Castros and Mitchells. The time to start looking like a major league team has arrived.

docdon385

Anyone still worried about draft odds and trying to get a higher draft pick is just buying into the time worn Pirate mantra of: “losing is what we do.”

I just read an article (I want to forget where) by some self-appointed “expert” saying the Pirates shouldn’t spend any money on free agents during the off season because they can’t possibly win in ‘23 or ‘24. Losers mentality, self-fulfilling prophecy and complete crapola!

You can’t win if you don’t try and now, not 3 years from now, is the time to start trying.

roibert.kasperski

We can still pull the golden ticket for the #1 overall, right?

AdministrativeSky236

Those peripherals look very strong for brubaker! Hoping to optimistically split at 3-3 in new york for this trip but could be unlikely. Then again, the kids are hot so lets finish the year strong and make the playoff teams sweat a little

NMR

I think Catch is the only guy I remember reading talk about Bru all year, as much if not more of an improvement than Mitch. Awesome to see him settle into a great #4 .

1979andCounting

“a great #4 ″……..that’s an oxymoron. But yeah I get your point. He and Keller are moving into competent starter territory.

NMR

haha, ah yes, the epidemic of prospect fetization that has completely infected this board.

roibert.kasperski

My post about Ortiz the night of his start not withstanding, I look at Ortiz and Oviedo at least as options for the rotation and more so for a better bullpen going forward as options to add to Bednar, Yerry, Holderman, Crowe and DeJong. I would assume that if they are finally looking to compete, they will acquire a quality vet or two too add to the mix.

roibert.kasperski

Who knows what they will turn into. Ortiz, if he ever can get consistency to his outings, could be a stud in the rotation, a stud in the back end of the Pen or flame out and be a Wild Thing that never fixes it with just a pair of glasses and walks everything.

The Cobra

The rotation has a chance to be sneaky good next year…especially if we sign a left handed veteran to team with Contreras, Keller & Brubaker. Would Sean Manaea fit the bill? Having a rough second half this year, but may be just what we need to sign to a 2-3 year deal at a palatable cost for Nutting.

NMR

Right on man.

In ST I called even this ’22 rotation something like “shockingly competent” and then waivered from my convictions there late-spring early-summer only now to be vindicated. 😉

My latest schtick is accepting that 1-yr deals might just be the sweet spot for this club, walking the line of risk and reward.

One good reclamation vet to support Ro-Bru-Mitch and a revolving slot for prospects to earn innings then take the cream of that crop and go balls out after an ace for ’24. A boy can dream!

AdministrativeSky236

Flip any prospect not named endy for skubal is a nice cheap solution lol

ArkyWags

Skubal’s medical sound scary right now. Sounds like there’s a good chance he doesn’t pitch in 2023. But I like the idea for sure. Maybe Gallan in Arizona? Maybe they want Pegura back!

Last edited 13 days ago by ArkyWags
AdministrativeSky236

Oops i dont think i realized he was hurt!

NMR

DET has a boneyard of talented pitching prospects, sheesh!

ArkyWags

They really do. Detroit and KC are examples of the dangers of building a rebuild around young pitching prospects.

NMR

Let alone the Braves, who at one point had NINE Top 100 arms at the same time!

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