Pirates Discussion: Rally Falls Just Short in 9th

Much of Thursday’s game followed the same trend. Only this time it didn’t include a strong start from the Pittsburgh Pirates starter, Zach Thompson.

Pirates bats came to life in the 9th only to fall short by one run.

Cal Mitchell had one of his best games in his short Pirates career. Mitchell collected a career high three hits in the game including his third HR of the season.

If Jose Quintana isn’t traded before the game Friday night against the Philadelphia Phillies, then THIS could be his final start in a Pirates uniform.

Quintana’s veteran presence would be a loss, but the additional consequences of losing a veteran starter like him could be felt.

The Pirates have leaned on their bullpen very heavily this season, particularly on long relief arms.

Through 99 games, the Pirates have five relievers — six if you count Chase De Jong, but he is currently injured — that project to crack 60 IP this season. Numbers are from an Excel spreadsheet I created, so I’m rounding to the nearest full inning.

  • Wil Crowe – 87 IP
  • David Bednar – 74 IP
  • Dillon Peters – 70 IP
  • Chris Stratton – 66 IP
  • Duane Underwood Jr. – 62 IP
  • *Chase De Jong – 63 IP (Currently on IL)

These are also only including MLB innings. Peters, Underwood, and De Jong spent time in the minors this season whether because of rehab or began the season in Indianapolis. Including MiLB innings, even Yerry De Los Santos is projected to throw nearly 60 innings.

Of the six listed above Chris Stratton is the only reliever roughly averaging an inning per appearance.

Bednar, Crowe, Underwood, and Stratton currently average an appearance every 2.5 games. Where Peters is an appearance around every three games, and De Jong was closer to every four games.

Going back in time, it isn’t all that rare to have multiple relievers throwing 60-70+ IP in consecutive seasons while maintaining effectiveness. The previous front office actually had success with a handful of them: Jared Hughes, Tony Watson, and Mark Melancon to name a few. During the Pirates last period of contending for playoffs, they generally had 4-5 relievers throwing 60+ innings in a season, and at times a couple over 70 IP.

Would losing Quintana lead to an uptick in their innings if they Pirates are then having to rely on less experienced starters? Is Underwood Jr’s injury history of concern going forward?

In the end I’m still very pro trading and replacing relievers. Maybe hold on to two that you trust the most, and use the rest as trade assets.

Phillies @ Pirates

Time: 7:05 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Jose Quintana (3-5, 3.70)

Phillies Starter:  Bailey Falter (0-3, 5.18)

Quintana Notes: His last time out, Jose Quintana tossed seven scoreless innings against the Miami Marlins, while striking out four batters. Quintana will be making his 20th start of the season, and could eclipsed 100 IP in a season for the first time tomorrow since 2019. He is also carrying a 3.70 ERA that would be his lowest since 2016.

LINEUPS:

Pirates

Phillies

1. Kyle Schwarber (L) DH
2. Rhys Hoskins (R) 1B
3. Alec Bohm (R) 3B
4. J.T. Realmuto (R) C
5. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
6. Matt Vierling (R) LF
7. Yairo Munoz (R) 2B
8. Odubel Herrera (L) CF
9. Johan Camargo (S) SS

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b mcferren

wet the whistle with Blake Snell

1979andCounting

Trade Underwood for cash, call up Holderman.
I remember last season (and maybe it continued into this season) when Underwood went amongst the longest in baseball without pitching a clean inning. That’s kinda a prerequisite to be a reliever in the show. You can’t get 3 hitters out in a row……you don’t belong with this team.

docdon385

Holy crap! Yoshi Tsutsugo is awful! I hope he can himself find a place on some team in Japan because he sure doesn’t belong here.

mikeschalke

He should be released immediately. Just awful!

Wilbur Miller

Gamel since returning from the IL: 13-for-67 (.194), 27 Ks.

jon6er

I wonder if Shelton has noticed that Crowe’s getting hit hard for several batters in a row, lol.

roibert.kasperski

Happy Crowe Day Y’all!!!!

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hoffmark83

Not a happy Crowe day! Happy blown save day!

mikeschalke

Yep he hung a slider on his first pitch to Hoskins and that blew any realistic chance to win that ballgame. I’m afraid that he and to a lesser extent Bednar are not what they were earlier this year.

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Wilbur Miller

Maybe that’ll break the spell.

b mcferren

#extendCantina

ironmike56

TermarrJohnson sure is an impressive interview. I hope the size is not an issue for his future as he looks tiny compared to just about everybody. I’m committed to following the development of Johnson, Green and Lesko as the tools are so different……and the Bucs had the chance to take the other two.

ArkyWags

One of the top five players in the AL the last half decade is the same size. And another is even smaller. I think height matters less in the game these days.

docdon385

Well he looked small compared to Kevin Young, who’s a big guy, but it’s hard to tell on TV and size makes very little difference in baseball anyway. In 5-6 years you like everyone else will be able to say “I told you so” regardless of who turns out to be the best player drafted this year. For right now it’s still anyone’s guess. It might very well turn out to be one of the players you mention or someone else no one would even think about picking now. It’ll be interesting to see.

ironmike56

By most reliable reports he is 5’8″ …..and I hope he becomes an All-Star as a Pirate and has a long career in Pittsburgh.

This year’s draft was intriguing because a case could be made for so many to be taken in top 7 or 8. Last year’s phenom Green consensus number 1 becomes 5. And of course the Rocker story.

mikeschalke

I believe Joe Morgan wsa 5’8″ as well, We can only hope he’s near as good.

ironmike56

Jimmy Wynn, the toy cannon, was 5’8″ 165 but had prodigious power. As a young kid at Forbes I saw him hit three bombs in one game.

bucsws2014

I think Quintana’s 61 pitches thru 5 is most efficient 5 of the season by any Bucs starter thus far.

ironmike56

13 straight scoreless innings has to help his value….then the boys blow the win for him.

jon6er

Plus a head save on a line drive and a attempted kick save to right center.

roibert.kasperski

Newman working on getting traded😁

john_fluharty

He’s actually looked fairly good since coming off the DL

Colin

6 straight Ks… Really?

Wilbur Miller

Yeah, but it’s Bailey Falter. THE Bailey Falter.

john_fluharty

Second longest stride towards the plate in MLB man

Wilbur Miller

Anybody would be eager to get closer to the plate to face Pirate hitters.

roibert.kasperski

Now 2 doubles in a row.

jon6er

Brown and KY keep talking about why Falter is so unhittable while not mentioning his 5.18 era, lol.

mikeschalke

What a dreadful offense, Hayes looks lost and Chavis takes one right down the middle.

bucsws2014

When does Bligh take over 1b duties?

And when he’s practicing over there, do they have Cruz throwing off-target missiles at him?

Wilbur Miller

Funny, Dumbo will get by now with only one of Yoshi or VanMeter in the lineup, but he won’t leave both out. It’s like he’s trying to push the fans just far enough.

bucsws2014

I predict Yosh is gonna have himself a night vs Falter. Hopefully Cruz does too.

Wilbur Miller

Yoshi has a night. So, a bloop single . . . ?

Catch_22

Unrelated. After the Pirates were down 4-0, I tuned into the Yankees-Royals game. Mainly to see taillon, but Brady Singer was mowing down the Yankees with ease. Pumping fastball after fastball, just going right after ’em and they couldn’t touch him. Gallo in particular looked terrible, 3 k’s and couldn’t catch up to the heat…He might be cooked

AdministrativeSky236

A thought I have been kicking around: do we really need a true #1 starter to win or could we win playoff series with several 2/3s? Seems like most ‘experts’ put burrows, priester, roansy, etc with a ceiling of a 2/3 starter, and seems like keller and brubs could potentially put it all together to be 3ish. I know that involves a lot going right, but my idea still stands of would you rather have a deep rotation of all upper to mid level starters or a rotation with a true ace but also a true 5 that wont often put you in position to win?

Tl;dr: Rotation of traditional 1-5 or rotation of mostly 2s and 3s but no true TOR starter?

PirateRican21

You need an outstanding bullpen to have a shot.

Catch_22

You need studs. You’re probably not winning many playoff series with 2-3’s.

ArkyWags

Atlanta did. Boston had Sale in 2018, but that was pretty much it. I think you definitely need a horse, but I’m not sure you necessarily need multiple ones. Wouldn’t hurt though.

hoffmark83

Arizona won with Schilling & Johnson. Without even one of them they don’t win. Also, 2 years in a row the Pirates lost a wildcard game against the other teams stud so I would say you need at least one.

NMR

If we’re talking playoffs (playoffs?!) then it doesn’t seem like clubs roll with more than three starters to begin with and they’re often stacked with more than one dude in the 1/2 range.

With the additional rest time built into schedule, would I prefer riding a workhorse ace and not even bother rostering a #4 /5 inning eater? Without question. Just happens to be pretty damn hard to find that guy!

AdministrativeSky236

That is kinda where i got to, regular season is probably better to have less ceiling and more depth but probably opposite for playoffs

NMR

Cal Mitchell is gonna be a Professional Hitter (TM).

They beat up Watson and Melancon like a rented mule for three years and in the fourth, both cracked. Timing relievers with win cycles when you’re constantly rebuilding is so damn hard, Huntington just happened to be either lucky or good.

AdministrativeSky236

With marin lately showing some significant strides with guys like keller and Q, i feel much better about the possibility of us churning through relievers than early when it didn’t seem like he offered much to the players

Colin

Yinzerpalooza, TJ signing, and a round of golf after work today. Life is good

AdministrativeSky236

Hopefully plenty of beer all around!

Colin

The Busch Lights will be flowing like fine wine my friend

capirate

He said beer, not whatever Busch Light is 🙂

john_fluharty

I’ll take me some Guinness.

Wilbur Miller

Gulden Draak

john_fluharty

Don’t think Walmart carries that lol

PiratePrimate

Ze Germans say American beer is like sex in a canoe — fucking close to water.

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