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Andrew McCutchen Trade Talks Continue On With Nationals

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Pittsburgh Pirates and Washington Nationals are still in trade talks concerning Andrew McCutchen. Multiple sources earlier this week mentioned that the Nationals would like to get the deal done before Friday, but the level of interest has remained the same since then.

Jon Heyman noted that he was told that the Pirates don’t feel compelled to move McCutchen unless the price is right.

Baseball’s winter meetings begin tomorrow and run through next Thursday, so if nothing comes about today, the Pirates and Nationals (and any other team that wants to get involved) will have a chance to meet up face-to-face to discuss a possible deal.

If anything else of note comes up, we will update this article.

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Josh G

If the Nats will send Robles and Lopez for Cutch, why not flip Glasnow and Robles and a PTBNL to the Sox for Sale? Payroll seems flexible enough.
WhaT level prospect would the ptbnl have to be?

pantherfan83

Ten years ago we traded for volume. Now this team can trade for the best or not trade at all. Things have come a long way.

RAS TN

Door Closed with Nats…not gonna happen, but does that hold up everything else from happening this winter if there was gonna be anything else to happen….i.e. had to trade Harrison to re sign SROD….

Robert Reznik

Door closed? I can’t find any confirmation on this?

st1300b

The right trade may not exist with the Nats. One thing that I haven’t seen enough mention of is the type of player Cutch is. He isn’t JUST a high end MVP guy he is also a fan favorite. A media savvy seat filler. A highlight reel. Think Trout even if he has taken a step back his presence is different than others.
Character and charisma are traits that help a team stay on point for 162.
To me he has been and continues to be worth more than his stats- though more struggles will fade the luster. So it is time to move him but for no less than an overwhelming package. I just hope NH realizes this is not a fair deal trade scenario it’s a win or don’t do it.

AttyMike

Hopefully the Pirates can get one or two other teams into a bidding war for Cutch. Without that, I would think the Pirates are at a negotiating disadvantage. Every team has to know that the Pirates’ will not resign Cutch and will take just about anything in a trade so they can get something in return for him rather than allow him to play out his contract and leave for nothing. Every team knows the Pirates are slaves to their balance sheet and can’t “afford” pitching w/o a trade. I wouldn’t hold out for much return for Cutch from the Nats unless the Nats are motivated by competition from other teams. If you were the Nats wouldn’t you offer whatever you want to offer and just wait out the Pirates?

Blaine Huff

When it comes to Cutch…or any player on the roster…if it makes the organization better…make the deal.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

I suspect the Nationals tried to low ball the Pirates – if so, thankfully NH didn’t bite. It makes no sense to trade Cutch unless the Nationals blow them away with an offer…Robles and Giolatta (sp?) would be a good start…

Daryl Restly

I heard McCutchen was traded to Washington…for Donald Trump. There’s some that think Trump wouldn’t have been a good fit in Washington.

Bruce Humbert

Why would you post this?

Biagio

I really do not want to trade Cutch!

Douglas Byrd

Maybe it is the Pirates ownership, maybe it is the absurd MLB rules, probably it is both: but the Pirates have to spend or else they will continue the 1979- drought. Being smart is great and money doesn’t replace intelligent decisions. Nobody thinks the Pirates will spend 250 million but 150 should be possible. Again, trading Cutch is fine if it improves this team a lot. But not in 7 years. This team is too good to give up on. The last 12 months certainly look like they are not trying to improve much. And before anyone remarks that it isn’t my money to spend, this is true. But our owner’s family are billionaires and and I am certain that spending money and winning will more than cover an extra 50 million.

Douglas Byrd

I do not expect the Pirates to spend 200 million like the Dodgers did. But right now this looks bad. Just like everyone here I only want the Pirates to win. But if we are now in a mode where all good players get traded a few years out of FA due to money concerns, then we will never win. You just can’t do that. I remember the McCutchen extension, it seemed like a new day. Then we extended Marte and others and it seemed like we had a really new model. Not competing for big time free agents still but keeping our better players. But that seems like a false sense of optimism to me. And even worse in some ways long-term is the damage that will be done if this team goes back to the prior reputation of a cheap team that jettisons players. Loyalty is a two way street. Think signing free agents is hard now, wait till after we dump more players.

TonyV

The Royals spent 130 the year they were in WS and are reducing that saying it is not sustainable. Can’t see why nobody believes the cash limitations that obviously affect these small market teams.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

So, the Pirates couldn’t just eat the Liriano contract, that was their mistake to begin with? But, they had to also trade two of their top prospects to do so? That is contradictory to a team saying it wants to sustain a competitive team.by emphasizing using its farm system….if the ownership couldn’t afford to eat that relatively small contract, they have no business owning a MLB team…

Scott K

McGuire and Ramirez were not two of their top prospects when traded. McGuire looks more and more like Chris Stewart 2.0 and Ramirez looks to have the ceiling of Jose Tabata.

Neither one is anywhere near top of Blue Jays rather mediocre prospect list.

Hank

Royals spent $30m more than Pirates. That isn’t small market limitations, but Nuttting limitations

TonyV

Yeah. They did, and are now admitting it was a mistake and cutting back.

Zack Nagel

Estimates were the Royals brought in over $30 million more in ticket sales than Pirates. Pirates consistently are on lower end of ticket sales due to attendance numbers as well as lower priced tickets compared to other teams.

brilemon

Hank- hope this isn’t too simplistic it’s an honest attempt to explain why bob nutting can’t just pony up:
say I have a $1 share and you have a $1 share in a $2 business asset that was cash neutral (50/50 split). If I decide to pump another $1 into the asset and you don’t – and the asset doesn’t gain value – i now own a $1.33 share and you own a .66 share as the asset is still worth $2. You are diluted. “Nutting” can’t just decide to write a check to buy a player for the team without business value implications. The entire org has to agree.

Scott K

He isn’t the sole owner!!!! He’s the owner with biggest share of team, but he can’t arbitrarily add $30mm to payroll budget.

Bruce Humbert

He can if it comes from cash flow – all of this speculation is silly – we don’t have any idea what the P&L looks like.

I personally think that the profit for the past four years has been something over $20M a year but have no way to prove it

Scott Kliesen

Ok let’s say it’s $20mm for arguments sake. Is that out of line with what other franchises are profiting?

Considering I can remember when there was talk of the Pirates moving from Pittsburgh because ownership was losing money, I see this as a positive. Especially when one considers they have built a strong team with a deep farm system, too.

TonyV

Your estimates are about what Forbes notes. Is that unreasonable profit?

Bill Harvey

Actually, he can’t, unless he gets approval from the minority owners. Look at it this way, if he owns 50% of the team, and wants to increase payroll by $30 mil, he would be on the hook for $15 mil, the other owners would have to cover the rest. If they aren’t willing to do that, he can’t do that, no matter how much money he has.

brilemon

Don’t try logic when it comes to people hating on “rich” owners. No one cares about how a business actually works.

mbrannagan

I think the point is that they did it for one year and then had to offload salaries though. I think the idea of operating from the budget and then being willing to go above at the trade deadline if the team looks to have the make up of going long into the season is a wise one.

The pirates could have added a great pitcher last offseason and with LIriano, Cutch, and Cole all underperforming they still wouldn’t have been a playoff team. The letdown of last year was a result of their “star” players

Randy W

I think there’d be a lot of pissed off fans if the Pirates traded Cutch for prospects without addressing the rotation. The organization told fans that 2016 was a bridge year. Failing to significantly upgrade the pitching would make 2017 a bridge year as well. I know NH isn’t totally going to be swayed by fan opinion, but the above mentioned deal would trigger massive flashbacks with many casual fans regarding the 90s/2000s Bucs where they were endlessly dumping their stars for prospects. I can almost already hear the cries of “They’re always freaking rebuilding!” echoing from all over. Of course, that’s unfair to Huntington and his regime, but that’s the reality of how many fans would perceive it. If they address the pitching they’re in really good shape for 2017. Think about how bad the pitching was last season and how (remarkably) they were still in contention in September. That alone is a testament to how close they are to being really good. And I absolutely agree that the lack of depth on the bench is being seriously overlooked by fans.

TonyV

The organization said no such thing. That was media and fans. The position of the team has always been that they will try to remain competitive over the long
gone term without sacrificing strong financial principles.

Randy W

Am I mistaken? I clearly recall Huntington using the word “bridge” to describe 2016 early on, as a way to soften the perception of a seemingly lackluster off season. Fans were to infer from this that the ultimate goal was to set the team up toward having its optimal lineup on field in 2017, while still contending in 2016 (which they actually did, even if just for the Wild Card). Don’t think he intended for it to be interpreted as “rebuilding”, but looking back, that’s generally what the fans remember it as meaning.

TonyV

I think you are mistaken about NH use of that term

brilemon

He meant bridge to the stacked aaa and Aa Rosters.

mbrannagan

I think NH did say that, but I also do not think he expected the anchor of the team to go into the tank at age 29/30. Maybe Cutch rebounds, but our ineffectiveness last year was in large part due to his struggles, and those of Liriano and Cole

michael schalke

Amen brother!

David Rosenberg

If we get Robles, Gio and a pitching prospect such as Lopez I can see it, even if we have to add something. Taking Gio would offset Cutch’s salary but give us the veteran bounce back starter to slot in behind Cole, and a lefty to boot. Lopez might also be an option later in the season. This actually may make us stronger in 2017 as we would improve the rotation and defense at the expense of power and leadership.

They better figure out how to reload the bench though. If they trade Cutch they will have lost 56 homers between him, Joyce and SRod. Perhaps you make up a little with hopefully a full season of Kang, a full season of Bell and Marte bouncing back to power form, but the bench as it stands now has little pop.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

In my opinion, that isn’t a sufficient return for Cutch…if it doesn’t include Robles and Giolatto, walk away…

John K

I would like to see the Pirates get Robles for the future (or trade piece) and Joe Ross for now. What will the Pirates do with that $27 million in financial flexibility ($13m Lirano, $14m Cutch) if they move Cutch? If they spend $15-20 million of it on a decent starter, with Ross already in the rotation, the trade would be a win.
Just my opinion, though.

escilade18

Lirianos “flexibility” is already spent on Freese, Bastardo and Hutch….

BuccosFanStuckinMD

I’d rather have Liriano back then….plus the two prospects we traded with him…

Bill C

Good point, makes that trade look all the more disastrous. Btw we should all stop calling that scrub pitcher “hutch.” Mccutchen earned Cutch.

mbrannagan

Liriano was a -1.2 WAA when traded, the trade may not be great, but his play for us was disastrous last year.

Scott K

People seem to forget this very important piece of information. Liriano was one of the biggest reasons team did not meet expectations last season.

DanielF

Wow the twitter war on the right ๐Ÿ™ Mark Madden does not seem like a nice guy, I thought Biertempfel was more mature but I guess i’m wrong on that.

Blaine Huff

Being out of the area for so long, I’m not familiar with Madden.

After reading his tweets…I’m not impressed.

He throws Twitter tantrums as if he’s a teenage girl.

leefoo

Personally, I think Madden’s a bloviating ignoramus (to quote George Will).

mbrannagan

Madden called me a dipsh*t on twitter the other day

leowalter

He doesn’t like me Foo.

Bruce Humbert

Shows he is smart and has good taste – I am so much happier with the idiotic Foo and the fanstuck in wherever blocked

Biagio

Foo as a conservative politico I think George Will is a Pompous Wilbury! Obviously Rob is a PSU guy so you would gravitate and gyrate towards that opine.

Sports70

Okay, so I’ve held back for a few days now, and I understand the point of the article that mentioned that Robles could be part of the cycle that replaces Marte, and Marte’s return replaces Polanco, and so on, but imo, the only way Robles makes sense as the centerpiece of a return is if he and other players/prospects are then flipped for a legit ace or high-end #2 starting pitcher…otherwise, this is yet another salary dump, I highly doubt they sign Nova at this point (and let’s be honest, we’d still need a #3 unless Glasnow wakes up)…hoping Cole returns to ace status and expecting Taillon to pitch like one in his first full season is foolish, so bottom line is they need a true front line starter, not a flashy outfielder who might pan out, is probably 2.5 years away, and would then be blocked for another 2 years barring a trade

Tom Brenholts

There’s another option with Cutch. Let’s say it’s getting toward the 2017 trade deadline, the Bucs are in contention but still need a pitcher. Meadows is ready, and Cutch is .298/.375/.450.

You can really hold someone up for that deal. There’s no need to move him now.

(Me, I would keep Cutch forever, but it’s not my money.)

cmat0829

Deadline deals stopped being drastic overpays in prospects a while ago. Too many teams still alive and teams need less to contend for wild cards. Off-season is when big trades are most likely to be made now.

TonyV

If Catcher is performing like that the team is contending and you can’t trick Meadows stepping in at that level so you keep him. You don’t deal him then. If he isn’t performing you get even less. There is more upside to dealing him now.

Corey Freeman

What happens if he is hitting 248/320/390 at the deadline? He will have barely any value especially when he will only be available to the team who acquires him for 1.5 years.

DanielF

Imagine the rioting that would happen, NH says he doesn’t care but good lord.

leefoo

I agree with Tim’s tweet

Pirates went from worst to yearly contenders. No farm to top system. Opponents steal their personnel/strategy. But objective=They’re clueless.

Just read some of the comments below if you don’t believe that last sentence. ๐Ÿ™‚

mbrannagan

I’m always fascinated with the opinions of this franchise. I think they are well run, prudent and have a plan. The segment that says Nutting should be spending from his own pocket to bring a winner while I sit at home because I am pissed that the pirates won’t let me bring all my own good and alcohol to the stadium is fascinating.

piraterican21

That’s what irks me at times when I read some of the comments, you follow the Pirates, this is how is and should be run, gets the best six years out of a player and then part with them. It is what it is, is like dating a cheater and then bitch when they cheat!

Ron Zorn

One of the best posts I have ever read!

juniorkrz

MBran, I cannot speak for everyone on this site or all PBC fans for that matter, but I think we the fans feel this team has the money coming into the club from various sources that will enable them to spend more. We are not advocating Nutting dig deep into his pockets. Also, say the Nutting has to spend a couple million – 3 to 4 – of the owners’ own money, but the team wins the World Series. How much does that title increase the value of the franchise, and then how much demand would there be for tickets, merch, et al., the next season. Me thinks they could make up that small investment rather quickly if not more so. Fans flock to winners.

Scott K

Why do so many fans act as if Nutting is sole owner instead of majority owner of team? How many times does Tim have to clearly spell out he is not allowed to put his own money into the team?

juniorkrz

In my comment above, I clearly state owners (plural) as I wrote “owners’ money.” I also never said “all in” as I would not advocate trading off top prospects to hopefully win a World Series. I said spend a little over budget “3-4 million” or so to get that missing piece that would enhance the team’s chances of winning the title.

Scott Kliesen

You said Nutting should put in his own money. Owners’ is possessive, while Owner’s is plural. He literally can’t do that without his % of ownership changing. Do you realize this fact?

juniorkrz

Owners is the plural of owner – no apostrophe needed, so the plural possessive of owners is owners’ money. And yes, I do know there is more than one owner, but Nutting is the face of ownership. Pardon my lazy typing.

mbrannagan

I have a buddy who works in a law firm that helps negotiate franchise sales and the titles don’t add much to the value, everything comes down to the marketing and TV contracts. If people want to complain about this front office then the one easy complaint is that we have a lousy TV contract, and are hamstrung by it.

Baseball is also significantly regional, so titles don’t bring many new fans, players aren’t nationally marketed like basketball, and nationally broadcast games don’t draw fans like NFL. The increase in fans will be local, and will dip the moment they aren’t winning.

juniorkrz

Mbrannagan, I can only go off of what I read. Here is an example of why Cleveland is eyeing up Encarnacion, per MLBTradeRumors.com:
“A source tells Hoynes that the Tribeโ€™s run to Game 7 of the World Series may have generated as much as $48MM in extra revenue for the club, which could provide Antonetti and company with some unexpected payroll flexibility.”

rlucia99

“If people want to complain about this front office then the one easy complaint is that we have a lousy TV contract, and are hamstrung by it.”
Absolutely! DK’s latest article did lay the blame on the lousy TV contract at FC’s feet. You just can’t mess that up. Heck, if you can’t negotiate a better deal, contract with someone who can.

TonyV

Research the Royals and what they ate forced to do now after “going all in.” How much will value increase if all in doesn’t get there? It won’t. How much will it increase if it does but the financial investment isn’t possible to sustain (see Royals)and you have to dismantle? Does 1992 ring a bell?

flackts

Tim not long ago went deep into this whole Nutting should spend from his pockets. It’s not that simple and at times if I remember he was blocked from the minority owners from doing so?

leefoo

Personally, I believe Heyman’s tweet is the key one.

We don’t have to trade him. Give us what we want or we’re hanging onto him.

Jmo

bucs1971

I agree whole heartedely!!!!!!!!!!!! If I am Neal Huntington, if the other team, Nats. or whomever, is not willing to overpay, then I am saying bye-bye. Feel free to call back when you are ready to pony up.

TNBucs

I hope we hold on to him, but when has there ever been a rumor about the Pirates moving one of their players and it hasn’t happened? I believe that they don’t feel a rush to move him, but I also feel certain (sadly) that they will move him by spring training and probably in the next week.

Scott K

Melancon was rumored to be traded last winter and he wasn’t until trade deadline. Just one example.

leefoo

I have found that NH plays things close to the vest and that the rumors that come out are usually started by the other team.

Most of these hot stove rumors rarely come true.

I’m not saying NH hasn’t been contacted or has contacted teams. But, it doesn’t mean he is going to settle for less. Cutch isn’t going to be given away.

AttyMike

Eventually he’ll be given away if there are no takers earlier. They won’t let him play out the string and walk w/o getting some kind of return, however meager it is. Not that I think they haven’t already gotten plenty of return on their investment.

RAS TN

Door has closed with Nats…..not gonna happen….they will use their prospects to get Sale…..

clemo83

The news of that supposed Friday deadline by the Nats sure messed with me- I was refreshing this site every 10 min! That was not cool.

Tim Williams

I don’t think I left my office until this morning.

Tom Brenholts

Me, too. I was all over it!

Brian Z

lol you and me both

DanielF

I wonder how much we’re going to get for Cutch. Robles, Lopez, and a Top 200 Prospect would look like a pretty good haul. Don’t think we’re going to get that though, as long as it’s Lopez and Robles as the core of the deal I’ll be happy.

James

Agree, Lopez & Robles must be the core. No less than this. Be nice to get more though.

I wish they could somehow pry loose Tanner Roark, but I don’t expect them to. Roark had the second highest WAR on that pitching staff after Scherzer. He gets overlooked a lot for some reason, but Roark would be a number 1 on the Pirates (or on most other teams).

IC Bob

I would certainly expect more then just Robles and possibly Lopez for Cutch. He still is only one years removed from competing for MVPs. I get the feeling this will be a stare down and my guess the Bucs will blink. I just hope whatever deal we works out for us becuase I know its going to work for Nats,

piraterican21

If you read any non pirate site, you’ll find out that Robles and Lopez are too much. Not saying I agree, but it seems what people not so closely involved think.

bucs1971

Precisely why Neal Huntington has to hold onto Cutch, or find another suitor. Getting Robles, and some two out of three combination of Ross, Giolito, or Lopez, is the bottom line that Neal must insist on. If I am Huntington, I am not trading Cutch for anything less than that quality and quantity. He has two years of control left, and at a more than reasonable price, especially for a team with deep pockets. Even though 2016 was a down year by Cutch’s usual standards, he still put up some decent numbers. Numbers that even if he only duplicates them in 2017 and 2018, would still greatly help the Nats get to and win a World Series. Conversely, a return to 2013 form by Cutch will not be near enough to help the Pirates even get a sniff of late October baseball without significant acquisitions in upgrading the starting pitching. GET IT DONE, NEAL H., GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!

leefoo

Esp the Nats’ sites. ๐Ÿ™‚

piraterican21

Mlbtraderumor and fangraphs to mention two.

emjayinTN

In the MLB Top 100 Lopez is #21 and Robles is #29 . For comparison, Glasnow is #3 , Bell #14 , Meadows #25 . These are end of 2016 season projections.

In BA Top 100 Robles is #13 , and Lopez is #48 . For comparison, Glasnow is #6 , Meadows is #10 , Bell is #3 8 . But this is an “older” Mid-Season 2016 Projection.

It is a fair exchange right now. I agree that the Nat’s need a CF badly and especially one that can hit 20-25 HR/yr, with a strong clubhouse presence – that may inspire them to do more. Will the Pirates be willing to add another piece to get somebody like Joe Ross, for example?

piraddict

Yes, but they have a vacuum (as in completely empty not as in catches everything) in CF. They need a Cutch.

peanutbutterguts

How do you know that it will work out for Nats?

domdidominic

Robles would be quite a get, especially if just part of the package.

piraddict

Yes, but Robles won’t be in Pittsburgh before 2019 if he is acquired. I don’t think the Bucs immediate need to acquire better pitching is getting enough play. It’s not only the fact that at this point in time they only have Taillon, Kuhl, Cole and prospects signed, but if you look at 2016 performance by itself I’d rate the pitchers as:
#2 Nova
#3 Taillon
#4 Cole
#5 Kuhl.
Nova isn’t signed yet obviously but most people seem to be in denial about Cole, still considering him to be a #1 . Statistically last year was the worst year of his career. Particularly his hits/inning and WHIP were dramatically higher. He was much more hittable, which probably indicates a decline in movement on the ball. Yes he was injured. But doesn’t that place more doubt on his ability to come back?
I think if they trade Cutch they need an immediate MLB #2 or better pitcher as part of the return, whether directly or in a three corner trade. They also need to sign Nova, or land his equivalent in a trade. That is why JHAY is available to be moved.
The Bucs need assets to be exchanged for pitching badly. Because if Cole stays injured, or remains ineffectual and they can’t sign Nova or find his equal the Bucs go into the season without a #1 or a #2 , a certain recipe for disaster.
That as much or more than maximizing Cutch’s value to the team is why Cutch is available to trade.

leowalter

Looks pretty realistic to me. A veteran # 2, 3 at least

freddylang

Robles should be ready early in 2018.

bucs1971

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT ANALYSIS, Piraddict!!! Even having Cutch at his 2013 level of performance will not make this team a winner if they don’t come up with at least two good starting pitchers. “Good” being of the Giolito, Lopez, Ross variety. Cutch at this point represents the best trade chip that the Pirates have. He will not be here after 2018 at the most anyway. While we all love and appreciate what Cutch has meant to the Pirates and to the city of Pittsburgh, unfortunately, the business side of baseball will always, ultimately, prevail. In all likliehood, Cutch will never have a higher value to the Pirates in terms of trade value. Neal Huntington MUST FIND A TRADE PARTNER WILLING TO PART WITH NO LESS THAN TWO STUD STARTING PITCHERS, BOTH WITH SEVERAL YEARS OF CONTROL LEFT. If I am Neal Huntington, I am not trading Cutch for anything less than that.

flackts

I don’t think you will find a single GM in the game willing to trade two stud pitchers both with multiple years of control for only 2 years of cutch, not even if he didn’t slump last year would this be in play. Just not even remotely possible.

bucs1971

Well, we will soon find out. Unless what we have been reading over the past several days from a variety of sources is all just trumped up fiction, Neal Huntington and his staff, and the G.M. from Washington and his staff, have been discussing doing just that.

escilade18

I just don’t see Lopez being a “stud” pitcher, from what I am reading his upside is Jared Hughes and Robles can easily pull a Brent Morel, Andrew Lambo, Travis Snider. While McCutchen is far from a sure thing, he is much much much closer to one than any prospect is. And the Astros GM has most definitely parted with stud starting pitchers with many years of control left for questionable returns i.e. Velazquez who is a true Ace and on a complete different level than Lopez

nmagera07

Where the hell did you read Lopez’s upside is Jared Hughes? That’s absurd.

escilade18
nmagera07

Okay well why would you just compare him to Hughes (who isn’t a good reliever). If Lopez does end up a reliever, odds are he’ll be a pretty good one. And that’s a valuable piece to have on a team.

Y2JGQ2

I think your priorities and the priorities of the pirates are not in line. i wouldn’t be concerned about cole. no reason to think he won’t be the 2015 version if healthy. cutch will be traded for prospects to retool and reload once the cubs start having some issues holding onto their talent. the curse is over, those players that wanted to be part of that, have accomplished their goal, now they will look to move on over the next few years. Our rotation will be weak this year if we are reloading for the future. go with the kids, we go as far as they take us. cole and taillon were drafted to be our 1 and 2- time to let it happen. we need impact bats 2-3 years down the road, our system is devoid of them. we have to replace cutch with another player whom can become similar to him. we don’t need more pitching.

bucs1971

Your assertions here are nothing short of complete and absolute lunacy and insanity. Let me give you a lesson in baseball 101 in response to your closing line “we don’t need more pitching.” EVERYONE NEEDS MORE PITCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PITCHING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMODITY IN BASEBALL AT ANY LEVEL. NO TEAM EVER, EVER, HAS ENOUGH OF IT. TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS LUNACY AND INSANITY. The game of baseball starts and ends with pitching, and the success, or lack thereof, of any team, at any level, is dependent upon the quality and depth of their pitching. Piraddict is spot-on correct in his/her points.

leowalter

Preach brother !

Randy W

Testify!

peanutbutterguts

I don’t see the Cubs going away any time soon. IF we get Robles, he will likely be gone by the time the Cubs fade, in my opinion. I liken the Cubs to the Yanks of the late 90’s, have elite homegrown talent and the resources to supplement that talent.

bucs1971

You are absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!!!! For anyone to suggest that the Cubs are now going to decline because the so-called curse is over is absurd.

Kerry Writtenhouse

The only way the Cubs become less relevant is if Lester and Heywards

rlucia99

Cubs were also VERY fortunate to not have almost any injuries all season. Sure, you can point to Shwarber but that’s about it. There is no way that staff gets through another year without injuries.

rich

Are you implying the Cubs will be dominant for the next ten years? Or that Robles would be gone before then?

peanutbutterguts

I don’t think it’s out of the question. Most of their talent is under 25 and they still have some top MLB prospects in the pipeline. Unlike the Brewers or Reds, they don’t have to mortgage the future in order to win in a 2 or 3 year window.

Scott K

Their lineup is young and talented for sure. Pitching staff is old and talented. Finding replacements for Lackey, Lester, Jake, etc. is easier said than done, even with a big budget. The Heyward contract is certainly going to be a burden.

peanutbutterguts

You are not wrong.

piraddict

Could be. I want to win in 2017, and that is what NH says he wants to do too. They won’t do that w/o pitching.

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