Pirates Trade Charlie Morton to the Phillies

The Pittsburgh Pirates have traded right-handed pitcher Charlie Morton to the Philadelphia Phillies for right-handed pitcher David Whitehead, according to a Phillies press release. The Pirates have also announced the deal. Whitehead was the 34th round pick in 2013 and pitched in High-A last year at the age of 23, putting up a 4.44 ERA in 135.2 innings, along with a 6.2 K/9 and a 3.4 BB/9.

Whitehead had Tommy John surgery before he was drafted, which led to him dropping so far in the draft in 2013. He has since gone back to hitting 93 MPH with his fastball, and working down in the zone. Matt Winkelman does a great job covering the Phillies prospects, and passed along this report:

Overall, this appears to be a salary dump, with the return for Morton being small. It does clear $8 M off the books this year, and $1 M next year for his buyout. More notably, it clears a rotation spot, with the Pirates rumored to be after some free agent starters.

Despite constant complaints, Morton is a guy who deserves to be starting in the majors. He’s a strong number four starter when he’s at his best, although he’s been inconsistent at times, in large part to his struggles against left-handers. The irony of this is that Morton was scheduled to be at PirateFest today, and I just finished sending a few interview thoughts to Sean McCool, hoping to see if Morton had been working on a changeup or some other approach this off-season to counter those issues against lefties. After many conversations with Morton last year, he seemed frustrated that left-handers were doing such a good job of squaring up on his sinker, and was hoping to find a way to prevent that.

Morton has more value to the Pirates than Whitehead. The Pirates have plenty of pitchers who are similar to Whitehead, with Frank Duncan sounding similar in value. Duncan didn’t rate in our Top 50, and I don’t project Whitehead to get consideration. The value of this move would be the extra payroll space. The Pirates now have a projected $86.5 M payroll, giving them plenty of room to add an outside arm. They’ve been linked to a lot of guys since the Jon Niese trade, and now they’ve got plenty of payroll space to add one of those guys and still make other moves.

The guys that they’ve been linked to would all be upgrades over Morton, with no worries about improvements against left-handers, or trying to get the best version of a starter. They should get some more security with the new pitcher. And I’m speaking like it’s a foregone conclusion that they’ll add a new pitcher, because that’s the only way this deal makes sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if we quickly hear that the Pirates have added someone else. Otherwise, it didn’t make sense to trade Morton right now, with no replacement in place, and for a pitcher that will get buried in the strong pitching group that exists between Altoona and Bradenton.

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Harry S

I must have missed this – when did MLB institute a salary cap, causing the Pirates to dump salaries? The Cubs and Dodgers both have much higher payrolls. Is this salary cap proportional to market size?

weltytowngang

Next year, it will be Jeff Locke who will move.

Jared

Locke just does not have a great place on this team. His best place is, probably, a lefty long reliever…but at 3.5M that is a lot for what he would bring.

BucsStopHere

Tim – you value / valued Morton way too much. He was frustratingly inconsistent which means a team cannot rely on him. Ray Searage squeezed wins out of any pitcher put in front of him except Morton. Scott Kazmir would be ideal and affordable unlike Cueto and he’d fit in with Cole and Lirianos as three top of the rotation starters. Locke is the next on the block.

pantherfan83

Could a contract extension be in the works for Cole?

Jared

One interesting consideration: I know NH wouldn’t, obviously, say that the team was “punting” this season or “bridging” until 2017, but I really wonder what the fall-out would be if that were to actually prove to be the result. IF the Pirates dont bring in some more talent to this roster and we see not only not a playoff year, but a barely .500 or even barely under .500 season…I wonder what the fall-out would be. After 20 losing seasons and then 3 straight playoff seasons this team and ownership still (right or wrong) have the “cheap” banner hanging over their heads.

A bad year, and a bad year in which some very “controversial” “financially driven” decisions were made in the offseason and I wonder if the team is not looking at a decrease in attendance maybe quicker than other franchises would and the result being a bad financial one for the team. Say it is the halfway point of the season and the Pirates are out of it (again this is all without seeing what else they do with the roster)…I wonder if that 2.4-2.5M fan number doesnt creep back down into the 2.0-2.2 number and retard the progress of this team instead of help act as a continuing catalyst in improving this franchise. THIS really is a very, very important offseason and with the decisions that have been made…NH and the team better have got the decisions right.

Douglas Byrd

Just to be clear: the money saved is roughly Alvarez 10 million, Walker 8 million, AJ 8 million, JA 10 million, Morton 8 million, ARam 14 million plus others. They were, but are now not paying those contracts. That’s 58 million dollars. I know that some of those guys retired, and that ARam was only here a few months, but that shows how much money has been shed. That’s a lot of money not being spent that was last time we played ball.

Kerry Writtenhouse

They weren’t on the hook for all of Ramirez’ or Happ’s salary. Only a small percentage. Very misleading on your part to state they shed 58 million.

Douglas Byrd

I mentioned that. The number was meant to demonstrate how much salary they have shed not what they paid. In that sense, it is very accurate. Of course, I’m not sure they would pay a whole season of ARam, and they clearly won’t pay a season of JA, Pedro and Walker. But that’s my points I guess. Broadly, I’m saying they’ve shed a ton of money through many ways. And implicitly I’m criticizing their lack of spending. Hopefully, that will change soon.

Douglas Byrd

More frustration. Through various ways we lose 3 starting pitchers, starting 1B, 2B and 3B. Now, we’ve got JHay and Kang who could be improvements at 2,3B. But the key here is money. The Bucs have saved a ton of cash losing a lot of players and only adding 11 million or so. That could be great if they went out and improved the SP with Maeda or someone strong. The fact is, the money is there. They could sign Maeda, Morneau, and maybe even Kazmir and stay about where they say they want to be. It might all play out well. But right now it sucks. Looks like Locke will be back for sure. Expecting Niese to be much better is unfair- we just don’t know.

One important point: the goal here is to win the World Series. We’re not far away. For other teams, things are different. But we are in a whole different place. A better one. So taking risks on many reclamation projects etc. are tough to see.

Jared

IF the rumor is true that the Pirates arent interested in any pitcher over $10M per year in free agency…then this deal makes less sense and continues a confusing offseason for the Pirates.

johnnycee

In regard to payroll space, what is the best guess on the club’s payroll max?

Chris Hale

This trade of Morton seems different from NH’s way of doing things It seems to me he’s going to go after a Free agent or make a trade and he’s opening up money to do it Not some reclamation project. Or maybe it’s a bat and they will sign a guy like Masterson and let him and Webster battle it out. The Cubs are looking crazy good and they might not be done. That Cubs team looks more dangerous than any of the Cards teams we have been falling behind every year. This team needs something big for 2016

rich

I agree that this is a salary dump but, assuming we spend the saved money on another pitcher (e.g. Kazmir), I am fine with the move. My only concern with this is the timing. They are currently missing a #3 (or at worst a #4 ) pitcher. I would have preferred locking up the pitcher (or pitchers) first and then dumping Morton.

That is why I keep checking for updates every 15 minutes…

dr dng

I’m back to thinking we may need to see if we can
bring Burnett back for 3 months.

Rob W

Niese, Nicasio, Taillon, starter TBD, 1b TBD…as they said on MLB radio all week “It’s only December 12.”

Paul Rutledge

I do not want Kazmir for two reasons:
1) the only thing greater than the money we have to pay him is the amount of medical red flags in his file.
2) We already have two lefties in the rotation. Give me a righty, please.

michael t

DECONSTRUCTION….to dismantle, destroy, demolish. We are witnessing the deconstruction of the Pittsburgh Pirates 2015 major league roster, a team that had a very fine season. Alvarez, Walker, Burnett, Happ, Blanton, Bastardo, Morton, and Ramirez replaced by……?

rich

I get your point although Happ was Burnett’s replacement so it is not fair to count that position twice. Blanton, and Soria, while good, only played 4 months combined. Ramirez was not good during his 2 months. Morton was pre-replaced by Niese. And finally, Morse already can replace the 0-WAR producing Alvarez.

So the real losses at this point are “just” the Burnett/Happ #3 spot, bullpen depth (which Neal may have already done), and Walker (or conversely Harrison’s UT spot).

NMR

Oh, *only* about 9 WAR? Barely a flesh wound

Jared

I just do not understand this offseason. IF they wanted to dump salary then why not dump Morton and keep Walker and his 2+ WAR offense…and then use the $8M from Morton to bring in another starter. IF the team has $20M to spend…then they would have, essentially, $18 with Walker+Morton…but they would have, roughly, 2 more WAR and only $2M less in budget. This offseason really doesnt make much sense.

Kris Mosley

Because they were not going to sign Walker for 2017….. Like it or not the choice came down to keeping Walker in 2016 and let him walk for nothing, or get something of value for 2016 and beyond….

Jared

Or keep him in 2016, get a draft pick in return for him, and replace him in 2017 with Hanson who you bring up to ease into big league play this year.

Jared

I am not sure the Pirates sniff more than 85 wins with this roster…and if they ONLY have $20M additional to spend then Im not sure this roster changes enough to raise that win total much.

NMR

Fair to be concerned, I know I am, but this is still a pretty damn good team. I’d call 85 closer to a floor right night *assuming* no major setbacks…but that’s kind of where I question this winter strategy thus far.

Shit happens in baseball. If you aren’t planning for shit to go wrong, you’re inviting disaster. The Pirates, thus far, have reduced depth without improving the team *or* adding upside. Maybe they can do that with the money they have left, but realistically that seems to be a stretch given prices in this market.

Hope the kids show up guns blazing.

Scott Kliesen

Maybe you should wait until the roster is set before you claim the sky is falling, Chicken Little.

joel

Salary dump my eye, I wondered who would trade for Morton or Locke and what little they would give up. Two team I guarantee would never trade for either are the Cards and Chubs. Of the 5 Pirates I said they should get rid of, 3 are already out the door in a week and a half. Mercer is stuck here because of the injury to Kang. BTW, the main reason I like to see the Pirates sign Latos is he would have drilled that infielder for the Chubs that spiked Kang. Outside of Latos the best scrappers I ever saw as Pirates were Don Hoak and bullpen coach Sam Narron and he never walked he ran to the trouble spot and it was always full speed ahead. Parker and Stargell weren’t too shabby either.

mitch t

Anytime you can get someone to take on a $8M salary that’s proves it wasn’t a bad deal. He just isn’t good enough for this team. I hope NH pulls trigger on 2/$20M deal w Latos. I see more upside w him than anyone else out there. He isn’t a Liriano or a Volquez or a Happ because his success was a 5 year stretch of excellence vs 1 great season in 2009.

michael t

Seven Springs slopes still closed. Long range forecast has us in the 50’s until January. Resort bleeding cash. Bob to Neil….dump salary. New 2016 payroll $101M. Neil to Bob….Yes Sir!

piraterican21

If you believe that WAR is an accurate way to value players then this was a mistake, I’m not upset about it but still a mistake.

mitch t

I do agree that Morton was ok value to Phillies and Morton was much more valuable to us last year than fans will give credit BUT… you only have room in rotation and budget for 5. Latos/Kazmir would be better options.

Rob W

I don’t think your math works. How much are you paying per win?

Arik Florimonte

This will be a good move if it leads to a rotation upgrade — and then I’d give kudos to them to be willing to concede that somewhat good (Morton) isn’t good enough. It will be a bad move if they saved salary doesn’t go back into the team. Just waiting to see at this point.

Now, go trade Melancon and Hanson to Texas for Odor.

William R. Maloni Sr

Great move, now follow it with dumping Locke.

Use the money to sign Chris Davis (I know, I can dream can’t I?).

But it shows you what some PBC players are worth when you can even get the Phillies to give you a pitcher from their top 30 minor league rankings.

Luke S

Shitty dream considering 7 years for Davis is begging for another Ryan Howard like deal. Get rid of a useful #5 and go throw stupid money at a guy who DINGERZ.

The contract Davis supposedly turned down was stupid. He’s asking someone to basically guarantee they hate the deal in the last 2 years.

Luke S

Interesting stuff. Good luck to Morton playing in that stadium, yikes.

Back end SP making his market value with health issues doesnt shock me to get basically a warm body in return. Could have pushed for more but seems like a move to just get his salary off the damn books.

Hurdle apparently stated they are clearly going after another pitcher or two, had a plan in place. Corresponding move should be interesting. Give me Kazmir or Latos and call it good.

Darkstone42

I think the health issues are what really drove down his market value. The hip problems in particular seemed last season to mess with his repeatability a bit, and his command was even wonkier than it had been previously. There might have been concern about whether or not he could be counted on to give a team enough innings, or about his performance starting to diminish. At 32 with two hip surgeries and a Tommy John under his belt, there’s a decent chance the decline is precipitous, and he was only fine before that.

rlucia99

Meada

yutz03

I read somewhere that 105 million is the target. Wow!! That’s 20th LAST year. Probably bottom 6 or so this year. 2018 and the tv deal can’t get here soon enough. It’s a shame we are going to lose Cutch’s prime to bottom 5-8 payroll abilities.

Y2JGQ2

This actually does 2 things: Clearing Morton’s salary allows us now to sign a player like Kazmir, but we’d still have to trade Melancon- OR- it allows us to keep melancon and maybe sign someone like Latos- That being said, its hard to believe we couldn’t get more than this for a #4 starter.

yutz03

Why can’t they do both? Tired of the nickel and dime excuses. Go spend some money on a real upgrade, not an I hope this works out upgrade. Last few off seasons offered hope, this one has just been excuses. This better be the groundwork for something big.

Y2JGQ2

WE CAN’T AFFORD TO DO BOTH- I’m tired of people with no financial sense (the same people I have to talk to everyday as a Financial Advisor) making stupid statements. Are you a CFO? Do you own a business, do you have P&L responsibility for anything including your own household? If not, please….be quiet. And if you do, and your net worth is negative, again…..don’t comment on the spending habits of a business whom has over 500Million dollar value

yutz03

I will say what I want when I want and I care not what you have to say about it or what you are tired of. It’s condescending jerk like you that make places like this less enjoyable. They most certainly could do both, as similarly situated teams seem to find ways to get things done. And yeah I manage and own several rental properties, and I know when a house needs a roof you get a stinking roof. Now please, I am not sure what language can get me in trouble on here, but you can go straight somewhere.

Y2JGQ2

Funny- and here I was thinking that forum posters like you whom are always critical and unrealistic were the ones whom made places like this less enjoyable.

Quick question- If your renters told you that you needed a new roof, would you first look into the cost effectiveness of repairing the roof, or just go out and find the most expensive roofer you can find and replace the whole thing irrespective of cost. Just wondering….cause that’s what you are expecting them to do.

yutz03

Kind of depends. In this exact metaphor I would be in a landlord market that is awash with cash, with a potential huge payday in 2018. So If I am to compete with other landlords in my market I would at least try to keep the best roof that keeps my units top of the line as possible. It’s an argument that can be had all day, and unless the books are opened up we’ll never truly get an answer. But, if you do some math and add up the monies received sharing from the mlb tv deal, the monies received from the luxury tax clubs, money from the existing tv deal with Root and there is no reason they can’t compete with other mid market clubs as far as payroll. I have been a fan of this team since I went to my first game in 79. I have seen a team built up and destroyed, have heard that Jeff King, Orlando Merced, Carlos Garcia, Midre Cummings and Mike Dunne were the next wave. You are obviously an ownership sympathizer, and that’s fine, and you can back their moves all you want, but you are not going to tell me that if they decided to bump the payroll up to a competitive 120 million they couldn’t keep Melancon and still sign Kazmir and Latos. I don’t want them to sign Cano, Grinkie, ludicrous future albatross deals, and to be honest there aren’t too many deals out there that have been signed that I would have thought will be good deals down the road for the Bucs, but to say they have to choose this or that over some number that may or may not be the actual number and then fight with people about it is just looking to be a di%$ to someone. The ownership most certainly could afford both, and just profit a few million less. Back to the metaphor to wrap it up, if I were 3 votes away from best apartment complex in PA, and that new roof put me over the top, then year I’d spend a few bucks extra off my profits margin to get it done. Especially if I know I have future inexpensive pieces to use in my basement the next 6 years.

NMR

Ha, that’s rich. Some good financial advisers have done over the past decade…

Y2JGQ2

In order for Financial Advisors to be successful, it requires their clients to actually follow their advice. Good sound long term financial guidance has not changed in 20 years. For the record, my clients have done quite well, sorry you chose poorly in your financial portfolio….but its never too late to develop a sound financial plan build on proper allocation and diversification. Happy Holidays NMR!!!

Y2JGQ2

As always, and probably in your case if you are having troubles with financial advisors just remember: “you can’t help stupid” – and that was my point.

John W

Baseball aside, I am very sad to see Charlie go as a human being. He was a terrific person, an excellent teammate and someone who competed hard. He played a big part in the resurgence even if 2015 was a down year for him. I’m hoping he is our next “reclamation” project in 2016.

pilbobuggins

Looks like the pirates a finally constructing a rotation to fix a problem I’ve been talking about the last three years, if you can’t beat your division you can’t win your division. Looks to me like what the brass is aiming at is finally having a rotation that matches up (at least on paper) with the cubs and cards.

Chris Hale

LOL enough of the Chris Davis talk. It’s crazy talk

Chris Hale

LOL People are saying at Pirate fest on the radio that they think the Pirates are going to bring in a true # 2 type starter

Jared

That is really funny.

bucsws2014

Holy crap, Giles netted the Phillies Mark Appel plus others?

Today is the best day a Phils GM has had since probably ever.

piraterican21

No one is talking about the Giles trade as much as the SMiller trade, but this trade is almost as bad as that one.

bucsws2014

This appears to also be the first time in recorded history that two guys named Arauz have been traded for each other.

Blaine Huff

Might be as prolific as the Kevin trade…when Kevin McReynolds and others was swapped for Kevin Armstrong, Kevin Brown, Kevin Mitchell and others,

Blaine Huff

I think I just shat my pants a little…

The Red Sox look like they stole Kimbrel now.

Bill W

Seriously!

bucsws2014

Looking at recent tweets concerning Appel… 48 hours ago he was rumored to be the key component in a deal to get Jose Fernandez. Today he’s a last second throw in to get a setup guy.

Can’t predict baseball.

Chris Hale

yeah that’s crazy we should definitely trade Melancon even if he only has 1 year remaining

Blaine Huff

James Shields.

This needs to happen.

Bill W

Guy will be an old soup chicken in a year! Stay away from that talk.

Monkshot

I liked him 4 years ago, not so much now, especially with that new contract. San Diego would have to eat a ton of money for me to be comfortable.

Blaine Huff

Money would come….and he as an opt out clause. If he’s respectable, he’s a one year rental with a compensation pick attached.

Chris Hale

No more listening to people say how good this guy can be. It’s never going to happen

Chris Hale

THANK YOU !!!!!!!! This is one of the happiest days of my life as a Pirate fan!!! I’ve been miserable watching this guy pitch . No more watching him crack every time he feels the slightest bit of pressure. No more watching him drill guys in the hip on a curve ball that ‘s supposed to be down and away. Charlie was a nice guy but he was not a strong minded baseball player

Michael T

Morton to me was nothing but untapped potential. So much movement on his pitches, but he’s a head case and Philly fans will eat him alive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him DFA at some point this year

Chris Hale

yeah if he pitches in phily he will probably faint under the pressure

thecrow124

If we don’t move Melancon, then Kazmir makes sense here, and even if we move Melancon, I’m not sure that frees up enough room to add Cueto. So I kind of expect to see Kazmir added, and if Melancon is moved, it will be for a 1B upgrade rental.

rich

Hopefully, this means we keep Melancon

Bill W

Yes I like to see this.

Andrew

When opposing teams role out 4 plus lefties in the lineup sure Morton is deserving of major league innings but don’t expect good results.

Morton had two seasons with a wOBA under .380 vs LHH, 2012 and 2014. 2012 was an injured shortened season, in 2014 he got good results on his sinker vs lefties, but that looks like the outlier. His split change was always awful. He is not as bad as his 2015 but is the type of pitcher that if you can upgrade from or find similar production at a lower cost it is a good move.

bucsws2014

All well and good. But what does that have to do with the value returned in this “deal”? Because it’s basically the same as a non-tender, except Morton had a contract.

He’s averaged 1.3 WAR over the past 3 years. Obviously the Phils value WAR less than the Bucs do, but I have to think Morton was worth more than a David Whitehead.

FWIW, the Bucs 34th rounder from 2013 didn’t sign. But their 33rd rounder did. He’s a LHP named Sean Keselica. I don’t even think Tim knows who that guy is.

Andrew

Morton signed an extension his contract is guaranteed. It is $8 million of payroll to go to other things.

NMR

What exactly can you buy for $8m that’s appreciably different than Morton?

piraddict

Add in AJ’s 8.5 MM.

Andrew

At this point they traded Walker and Morton for Niese and little under $10 million in payroll. That could be well spent or poorly spent. They’ve used $10 million to get returns better than Morton’s projection before, maybe get Dayton Moore on a conference call he found some value last off-season.

Mallorie D

Biertempfel just said he heard their target budget number is 105 million…so that gives them what? 20 million to play with?

Jared

If it is only 105 then shame…and a team that finishes no better than 3rd in the division, probably worse. Cant add a bench bat, two pitchers, and a 1B with $20M.

Blaine Huff

30 minus Melancon.

Luke S

Seems like they could now easily see Melancon as a salary they can keep. For 1 year.

Mallorie D

This doesnt shock me at all. I kind of thought this going to happen. Niese is a left handed Morton with a couple extra option years. No need to have 2 #4 guys in the rotation.

Lets just hope they still dont see Niese has their number 3 and get another back end of rotation guy. Lets hope theyre getting a legitimate #2 /#3 type pitcher. Kazmir comes to mind. Maybe Gallardo…although they would have to give up a draft pick, doubt they get him.

Darkstone42

Niese is not a left-handed Morton. Niese has been Morton’s superior for their careers, is younger, and has two option years instead of just one. Niese’s peak was higher, longer, and more consistent, and it may still be happening. Morton’s peak is behind him.

Niese has been a true #3 in the past and is young enough to get back there. I mean, he’s only not been there for one year. Morton has been a true #4 for his career, but is three years older with a more extensive injury history.

Everything, from handedness to contract to performance to age to health gives Niese more value than Morton on the trade market. It adds up accordingly to a lot of value difference.

NMR

Yeah and since they got a player of Neil Walker’s caliber back in the Morton trade this is a wash oh wait.

Blaine Huff

Um…wtf?

BallHeadWonder

We just might be on to Cueto!! Trust me, if there was long term money out there for him, the Cubs would have gotten him. We might be able to put 15 to 20 a year for a 2 year deal and see what happens!! This is our Window of Opportunity here!! I would go for it!!

Bill W

Curious is anyone at Fan Fest and has anyone gotten lynched?

EWS34

Sign Davis. There is no legit cleanup hitter on the roster. Polanco and Bell are at least a year or two away from hitting cleanup.

Scott K

Better chance I start at 1B for Pirates next year than Chris Davis.

Blaine Huff

No. Just no.

Kozy21

Davis is asking $200MM over 8 years. He’s Ryan Howard waiting to happen.

Blaine Huff

I wouldn’t want to be sitting on the contract of a guy that is striking out 200+/year during his prime once he starts his decline.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

Addition by subtraction – got rid of an overpaid, sub-par starting pitcher who still had 2 years on his contract – saved $17million over two years. It won’t take much to replace a pitcher with a near 5.00 ERA. There was no way we were going to get Moreland for Morton – that was a pipe dream. To get anyone to just take him and his contract was a victory, regardless of what we got in return..
Now, go get Kazmir (no likely though) or Latos (more likely), and fill the final spot with whomever wins that spot in the Spring – Locke, Glasnow, Taillon, Webster, etc.
This Whitehead kid is probably filler, but you never know. Probably doesn’t have the stuff of a starter, but maybe a bullpen arm in the future. Watson and Hughes looked like future AAAA pitchers until they moved to the bullpen…

Joshuatree

I agree with you 100% on the pipe dream of getting Morton for Morehead unless NH needed the salary dump and not Morehead’s 5.6 mil salary. This just proves that was inaccurate. Everyone including probably Tim saw Morton as being almost untradable. Good luck to him with Philly bc it was probably the best deal! What I can’t see is PGH getting a 4th lefty in Kazmir for our rotation unless we depart with Locke too and move Niese to the #5 spot giving Glasgow and Taillon an additional year in AAA.

piraddict

I think the major motivation for this, besides a salary dump, is that Morton is a liability against a LH dominated lineup like the Cubs and Cards. I sure wish they had gotten more return though. Maybe there is something they can “fix” about Whitehead that will make him to be more valuable than he appears.

battlingbucs

Whitehead looks to be Isaac Sanchez’s replacement to me. You would of thought it wouldn’t take trading a MLB SP to fill that hole though.

OTDLOT18

Still think that Tim? Maybe you should re-visit this trade as it illustrates what

happens when you lose even an average major league starter for nothing..

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=whiteh001dav

I would say this loss was more critical to the 2016 bucs than even the Niese pickup…..

I’d say Whitehead is very close to being cut…..

battlingbucs

Obviously they aren’t related. My pitiful attempt at humor.

Anyway you sound quite a bit higher on him than me. Does he change the top 50 in the prospect guide?

Darkstone42

I’m going to miss Ground Chuck.

Scott K

But not Up Chuck!

leowalter

Why ? Nobody else to criticize after a bad start ?

Darkstone42

Seemed like a solid dude. I’ll genuinely miss the aesthetic of his curveball, too. That was just such a fun pitch to watch fall in.

Kozy21

Sign Cespedes and send Polanco to San Diego for Tyson Ross.

zombie sluggo

No thank you. I like Ross, but I think Polanco is going to be better than Cespedes this year, let alone moving forward. I rather they just spend the cash on Kasmir.

Kozy21

You’re probably right. I am anticipating a Polanco breakout as well. I like Kazmir. I’d love to see spend an extra 5-6 million per year and get Cueto.

Darkstone42

I’d be tentative about Cueto. I don’t know how long he’s going to stay the pitcher he is. He changes his delivery a lot, and as he gets older and loses some athleticism, he might also start to lose command.

I think there’s a good reason Price and Greinke went off the market quickly, but Cueto’s still sticking around.

ArthurDayne

Totally. Every word. His contract will get someone fired down the road.

Daniel F

It was like the Pirates had to sell their current house to apply for a new mortgage

La Pirate

Assuming Phillies absorbed this contract I think its a great move to pave the way for another signing . Morton was not very effective against either the Cards or Cubs, he basically became a 5-6 inning pitcher (when he was effective) and he cant pitch to lefthanders.. I wonder if Locke might be ticketed to the Rangers. I think this was a good move to clear salary and hopefully improve the rotation.

rbaraff

Seems like a weird time to announce the trade without another move forthcoming. It is Piratefest weekend – really bad pr timing if just a straight dump

Catch22

Cherry picking Morton’s 2015….Pirates went 14-9 in his 23 starts and he had a 3.36 in 19 of his 23 starts.

ArthurDayne

When he first came back he was lights out the first 3 weeks. There’s still good starts in that arm.

Catch22

Yeah he started out 5-0 with a low 2’s era, then the wheels fell off and he ended with a high 4’s era. Glad he’s gone, contenders don’t have Morton in their rotation.

ArthurDayne

Didn’t catch the who’s who at the back of the Dodgers rotation?

Joshuatree

Great response! And most of their who’s who can’t stay off the DL. Haha!

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