David Price Traded to the Tigers

There were a lot of questions about whether the Rays would deal David Price today. Joel Sherman reports that they’ve decided to deal Price before the deadline.

Ken Rosenthal says that the Dodgers have been in talks for Price, and that top prospect Joc Pederson is in play. He also says that the Pirates had been discussing him as of this morning.

With the returns for Jon Lester (Yoenis Cespedes and a comp pick, with Jonny Gomes going to Oakland along with Lester) and John Lackey (Allen Craig and Joe Kelly), it would make sense for the Rays to take advantage of this market and deal Price.

UPDATE 2:06 PM: Jon Heyman says the Pirates have been talking to the Rays about Price.

UPDATE 2:11 PM: Jerry Crasnick, who has been saying that the Dodgers don’t want to deal their top prospects for Price, repeats those thoughts.

Peter Gammons also says the Dodgers aren’t back in on Price.

UPDATE 2:13 PM: Rob Biertempfel says the Pirates are in on Price, and the Tigers are pushing hard too.

UPDATE 2:29 PM: Jayson Stark says the Rays are close to trading Price.

UPDATE 3:17 PM: Bob Nightengale says that the Tigers, Mariners, and Pirates are the front-runners for Price.

He says the Yankees could be involved, but Ken Rosenthal says there’s no chance that happens.

UPDATE 3:19 PM: Rosenthal says the Pirates are working on a deal, but it’s unclear if it’s a Price deal.

UPDATE 3:32 PM: Mark Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times hears that Price could be in a three-team deal.

He guesses that it could be the Mariners and Tigers as the other teams.

UPDATE 3:36 PM: Rosenthal says that left-handed reliever Enny Romero is in play in the Rays’ trade talks.

The Pirates have been active in looking for a left-handed reliever.

UPDATE 3:42 PM: Topkin says he hears Price is the only player going in the three-team deal.

UPDATE 3:48 PM: Rosenthal says the Tigers are getting Price.

UPDATE 3:53 PM: Jon Heyman says it’s a three way deal involving the Mariners.

He also says Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly went in the deal.

That’s a lot of MLB player for MLB player trades today, rather than the usual prospect for MLB player deals.

UPDATE 3:56 PM: Bob Dutton says Jackson is going to the Mariners, and Nick Franklin is going to the Rays.

That makes more sense for the Rays.

UPDATE 3:59 PM: Heyman says Smyly is going to the Rays.

I’ll take a look at the Rays return on this when it’s all settled, and do the usual “what would this have cost the Pirates.” However, the three team deal complicates things.

  • FrankRestly
    July 31, 2014 7:33 pm

    One nice thing, the way the Tigers pitching rotation is set up, Price pitches the day before the Pirates play them in a four game set (2 home / 2 away).

  • Every team competing in the NL addressed some needs in the last 48 hours except the Pirates. I guess the Pirates feel good about Morel and Martinez..

    • oh come on. Morel and Martinez are gone once barmes and marte are back.

  • OOOHHHH! Just missed again! When is now?

    I read just a couple of “comments”

    Marte, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson/Cumpton
    1st proposal I saw— poo-pooed.
    REPLY,was WHY Marte? They only control Price for next yr
    Ok kind of…

    Step up,& sign Price.(KEEP him) trade Cole in a few yrs. Cole wants to be a Yankee.
    They keep Price AND Cole for the next 3-4yrs. Crazy!! Gotta spend $$$ When is now?

    Then you can get prospects when they (trade Cole), prospects coming up-trade to fill needs/compensation draft pks….


    OF’s in MINORS, nobody here wants to trade.
    P’s in MINORS, nobody wants to trade.
    How does the team get better? How do they fill holes?

    IF the minor league’rs are so great…where are they going to play in 2-3yrs?
    Can’t play 2 LF’S &3RF’S
    (maybe that’s where they can put Alvarez, can play, a 2nd LF) HAHAHAHAH
    get it? His throws would be on target to 1b???…
    I give up!!

    Gotta give to get,—gotta pay to play. STEP UP TIME. When is now?
    20 +yrs. They OWE

    When is now,maybe next year????????

    • Cry all you want but management is going to do what they want. We can only play with the cards we’re dealt, so those prospects will have to fill the holes. And we’ll all have to be patient. Besides it sounds like the major league club would’ve had to suffer to bring in Lester or Price. Do you want to give up Polanco and create holes elsewhere?

      • Wheres’s crying?
        More like SHOW ME!
        They can have ALL the minor league prospects…they are still minor league.
        Some will make it to the show.
        Some may be starters
        Some may be STARS.
        MOST WON’T
        SHOW ME TIME
        Pirates FO said fill the stadium , ‘WE’LL spend!
        They said,” When the team is competitive” “We’ll spend” for a winner
        When is now?

        • wouldn’t it be a lot more fair to criticize the lack of moves if the good pitchers were given up for prospects instead of for major leaguers that the Pirates really have no good comparisons for?

          • UR killing me. With the great prospects the Bucs have (most on here speak about)…U can’t tell me the Bucs don’t have P, OF to trade.
            Nothing says they cant keep the player they trade for, instead of the trade being a rental.
            Look at what it took to get Price. When is now!!!?
            20+yrs….Owners said better attendance will = spending. Winning team, w/better attendance =commitment to spending. They Avg almost a ticket for everyone that lives in surrounding area,WHEN IS NOW?

            • it looks like the teams didn’t want prospects. price and lester were not dealt for prospects.

              and now is now. oh wait THAT now was a second ago. it’s never now except for an infinitely small moment just as you say it. OMG THAT NOW IS GONE NOW TOO. AHHHHHHH.

              *EXISTENTIAL CRISIS*


            • Now is clearly NOW. Your team is legitimately in a division race, and the other teams in that race didn’t become world beaters today. In fact, they’re probably trying to catch up to us the way we’ve been playing. We may not have needed to do anything, and those prospects you so eagerly want to throw away just to say, “IT’S NOOOWWWWW” will only make this team better next year. That way, not only is this year now, but next year and the year after that, AND the year after that are also NOW.

              • You are one of the P R Buccos. Too many “us” & “we” & a great your team in your replies
                Open Mind
                You don’t know my team. After 30 yrs, don’t be afraid to be a winner. So much great baseball history in Pittsburgh,sad. Great sports town. You have a chance. Look at Oakland. What did you say “go buy a Dodger jersey”
                Oakland/Dodgers hmmm…Bucco’s
                Good luck. Hope you win. Waste of my time,now

                • I’m not afraid to be a winner. I just think that there are ways to go about it, and adding something at this specific deadline was not a necessity to be a winner. It’s clearly not the only way either. They currently are winning, despite their payroll. In fact, they probably have a better winning % than the top 10 payrolls in baseball. You’re the one closing your mind to the possibility that this team, as constructed now, could compete well in this NL.

        • I don’t know why you think they owe you a 150M payroll. Maybe if you made the donation, you’d get your way. But if you don’t want to pony up, it’s hard to blame Nutting for not. It’s his team, his decision. The GM, players, coaches, and fans have to live with it. if you want to see a team spend, spend, spend, go buy a Dodgers jersey and move to California. Moving ALL the prospects for a one time chance at the WS is a stupid idea, I’d rather be competitive for a really long time. And on top of that, you have no idea in your head about what NH offered for Price or Lester. He may have offered ALL the prospects, the other teams apparently wanted something else.

          • You have a lot of anger. There is nothing that could be improved, for a contender?
            What are you spending?
            You aren’t one of the P R Bucco syndicate R You?
            Why so angry? I just want a winner after 35 yrs.
            Maybe next year. When is now?
            You are correct your Nutting,the players,coaches,and the fans have to accept; No help coming

            • What do I have to be angry about, I wanted them to keep their farm intact. You’re the one who appears so mad that you can’t even write a complete sentence. Syndicate? Dude, take your adderall

              • You are too funny
                3 or more different names
                Wait, hold on….
                Go Bucco’s Go!
                You’re a winner
                Bucs are awesome
                Contenders, compete. Good luck.
                Hope you win.

                • No, just one guy with many sign on problems across several different disqus comment section. Thanks for the well wishes, maybe take a second to think of your reaction if the Pirates actually win the WS this year.

    • You are a real clown,aren’t you ?

  • CityofChamps
    July 31, 2014 4:59 pm

    Still hoping for an August trade like last year.

    • The only problem with that is we lose another 2 or 3 weeks of games . When each game is so important I am disappointed with their lack of action again .

      • CityofChamps
        July 31, 2014 5:25 pm

        True, but Byrd certainly worked out very well in 2013. But yeah, I see what you’re saying.

  • pilbobuggins
    July 31, 2014 4:58 pm

    Well my fellow buccos fans it looks like our mantra of ” there’s always next year” is in no danger of being replaced by “we are the champions” anytime soon. Thanks for nothing nh.

  • There was no chance the Pirates would trade for Price but to say that I am disappointed with their wait and see approach again would be an understatement . We do in fact have one of the worst owners in baseball .

    • CityofChamps
      July 31, 2014 4:58 pm

      We all said that last year and ended up with Byrd in August. I’m a little discouraged, but it’s possible we could still make a trade

  • CityofChamps
    July 31, 2014 4:52 pm

    I feel like the Rays could’ve gotten much more. Apparently the Pirates offered a major leaguer (likely Alvarez or Marte) and two top prospects (I’m speculating Hanson and Kingham). Much stronger package than what the Tigers gave if it’s true.

  • Is it just me or is this deal a steal for the tigers?

    • Mike Adamson
      July 31, 2014 4:47 pm

      Jeff Locke or Charlie Morton with Alen Hanson, and J-Hay. To me that’s close to what it took.

    • It sure seems that way. I made a fantasy football deal like this where the other two teams in the 3 way deal were happy. No one seemed to care what I was getting. I guess this type of thing can happen in real life too. So I guess we get to face Price again? Awesome. I don’t think the Cards, Reds or Brewers exactly vaulted themselves over the top today for those furious. And our biggest move last year came post 7/31. So let’s stay patient.

    • pilbobuggins
      July 31, 2014 4:48 pm

      Really looks that way, after all the hype the rays get franklin an underachiever,smyly a decent pitcher and a ss so young he’s just out of diapers. Hard to believe the pirates could’nt have done much better than that w/ out hurting the farm.

  • pilbobuggins
    July 31, 2014 4:37 pm

    Completly disgusted with the pirates front office, not only did they not get a solid starter but they did not do anything,period. The only good news is the cards got weaker, yes I said weaker, watch and see.

  • Scott Kliesen
    July 31, 2014 4:28 pm

    Are you honestly telling me NH couldn’t put together a better package for Price than what Rays ended up getting?!!!!

    Epic fail NH!!!!

  • Mike Adamson
    July 31, 2014 4:19 pm

    Look I don’t care that the Pirates didn’t trade their prospects but lets be honest here. The Pirates are a business and will never be serious about the best players. Yes they will get AJ Burnett if his salary is paid for by another team. Maybe middle guys like Byrd, Morneau, etc… The truth is we have a poor baseball owner.
    The Pirates had a chance to takeover the Central and they didn’t. Our division didn’t do much but we did nothing. Just be honest with your fans. Stop pretending that you are in on game changers.

    • do you think the pirates tried to leak it out to ken rosenthal that they were trying to get price?

      “hey Ken. we REALLY wanna fool our fans.”

      no. he tweeted it because they were trying to get him.

      i could be wrong i guess. i dont know anymore.

      especially with all these fake twitter accounts and stuff.

      • Mike Adamson
        July 31, 2014 4:37 pm

        Pirate fans are the most brainwashed fans in the world. No I think the Pirates tried to get Tampa to pay $10 million and when they laughed that was the end of it. Rosenthal then assumes a team in the position of the Pirates would surely be in on Price. Which was never happening.
        Now comes the press conference saying we tried to do some crazy things but couldn’t get them done. Of course not if it’s going to cost the owner money. Don’t worry we will pick up Scheirholtz in a couple weeks for Alen Hanson to make it seem like he’s trying.

        • i dunno man. i don’t think they need Schierholtz that much.

          • Mike Adamson
            July 31, 2014 4:43 pm

            GM Neal Huntington: “We felt that the right move was no move”
            Ha Ha I agree…

            • The other teams wanted major leaguers in return as evidenced by the fact that they got major leaguers in return.

              i guess locke is somewhat similar to Smyly. they have nothing like nick franklin.

              • Mike Adamson
                July 31, 2014 4:49 pm

                What has Franklin done? I could argue other than being a top prospect at one time J-Hay is better. Add Hanson and I think it’s close. Throw in a Heredia or someone else and it’s easily beatable.

                • your j-hay suggestion is interesting, but then there goes your Pedro defense (and offense) insurance, your Marte concussion insurance, and some Polanco platoon insurance.

                  Value wise, it’s probably close, but the difference is that Franklin is a redundant part on that team. Harrison is pretty important to the 2014 Pirates

                  • Mike Adamson
                    July 31, 2014 4:55 pm

                    Look I wouldn’t care that we didn’t land Price if he would’ve went for more. Seattle got the 2nd best piece. No reason the Pirates couldn’t of went after a Aaron Hill or someone else that could step in if needed. This team has Morel and Martinez on it. Room for improvement for sure.

                    • they’re going bye bye when Marte and Barmes are back at least.

                      and aaron hill is not nearly as valuable as Nick Franklin. more expensive, less control, not as much potential.

                      i guess they could’ve in theory acquired nick franklin (or equivalent) and spun him.

                      But i’m going to notch the lack of movement up to being a really weird deadline.

                      time for waiver deals!

                    • This is late,but your stupidity is overwhelming,especially since we learn from Peter Gammons that the Pirates made a better offer to the Rays than the Tigers. Go back to you corner now.

  • Jeff Locke is more established than Smyly toss and Hanson/or maybe JaCoby could hit the .125 that Franklin hit in the show this year. All the talk about how expensive and then it’s like cheap. What am I missing?? Tim please pull out your super calculator and tell me how the value works out, because I just don’t see it.

  • Well by my computer, the trade deadline is past, and like Nero we fiddled around. Of course there is the August waiver wire (with a wink and a nod by all teams), but it means that you have a shorter time frame to make up ground or to help present aliments. I know Tim and others hate to hear this, but IMO, we have a bad case of P.S.S. in our front office.

    • letsgopitt123
      July 31, 2014 4:18 pm

      Yea. We could have traded greater/comparable value to nick franklin and smyly and it would have been a minor dent in the system. Even the prospect hoarders have to be disappointed with this one.

  • Wow. Smyly and Nick Franklin. What an overwhelming blah for David Price. I find it hard to believe NH couldn’t out bid that price. How about Morton and Pedro… I’d do that for Price. Geez what an underwhelming finish.

    • letsgopitt123
      July 31, 2014 4:09 pm

      Yea. How neal didn’t come up with anything is beyond me. Smyly and Franklin is a good return, I just would have expected much more. There is always next year!

      • Apparently Price did not want to come to Pittsburgh, stating he preferred to go to “a proven winner”.

  • Bryan Graham
    July 31, 2014 4:04 pm

    Yippee, we got nobody. We’re contenders with no chance of winning anything meaningful. Even a solid, not spectacular bullpen piece would have been nice.

    • For realz.

    • CityofChamps
      July 31, 2014 4:30 pm

      It’s disappointing, but remember both of our trades were in August last year

      • Bryan Graham
        July 31, 2014 4:36 pm

        I’m sorry, but there are no “buts” for me in this. At some point you have to play some of your cards to give your team a real chance. Like I said, it didn’t have to be anything spectacular, but there is definitely room in the pen for solid help that wouldn’t cost a ton. Not only is it disappointing, it’s pathetic.

        • CityofChamps
          July 31, 2014 4:53 pm

          Everybody said that last year. We didn’t make a trade at the deadline, and Marlon Byrd ended up being a great acquisition for us in August. No reason it can’t happen again. You can’t say that we didn’t give the team a chance to win when we still could have plenty of opportunities to make trades.

          • Bryan Graham
            July 31, 2014 5:30 pm

            There’s a huge reason it won’t happen again this year, especially on the pitching front. There is no way that any good arm is going to make it through waivers. Pitching is to valuable. Maybe they can get some offensive help, but they won’t be getting any pitching help.

  • Trade doesn’t make sense to me yet. Players are underwhelming.

  • Price to Tiger per Rosenthal

  • Steven Drew to the Yanks… that might have been another decent move.

  • Another site has that the Bucs are offering at least Bell and Glasnow for Price…………….. If so I am not happy. Bell or Glasnow and another player I could find a way to make myself ok with things. I do not want to lose them both for Price though. Not at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Bryan Graham
      July 31, 2014 3:52 pm

      I could deal with just about anybody but Glasnow, I see him as a true ace in the future. It sounds like the Tigers got price though. If that’s true then it doesn’t really matter.

  • Price to Tigers it seems according to Rosenthal.

    Assuming Rosenthal’s account hasn’t been hacked 🙂

  • Scott Kliesen
    July 31, 2014 3:35 pm

    If NH lets this trade deadline pass w/out making a deal to improve this team, it will be the GM version of a TOOTBLAN of Snider/Sanchez proportions.

    • No, it would be more like if Gaby and Snider hadn’t TOOTBLANed and were ready to go for the next batter. Pirates look like they have 2nd and 3rd with 1 out this season, a great opportunity for the playoffs again, maybe the division this time. Don’t eff it up by doing SOMETHING just so you can say we did SOMETHING.

      • Scott Kliesen
        July 31, 2014 4:03 pm

        They’re in a dogfight to get into the postseason, their main competitors make moves to improve, Pirates have deep talented farm system, and they sit on their hands? How exactly does this make sense?

        Fortune favors the bold. Waiting and watching is not what winning organizations do, and unfortunately NH has done this both in the last offseason and the trade deadline. Bad job NH!

  • We r so getting David price. My guess: Pedro, Hanson, Kingham, and tony Sanchez.

  • Todd Kemmerer
    July 31, 2014 2:46 pm

    Hopefully pirates are not a finalist…then I like our chances of getting him

  • CityofChamps
    July 31, 2014 2:43 pm

    Apparently the Cards are still in play. Latest update says Seattle, Detroit, Cards are the finalists for Price

  • I fear we’re watching the same old story play out one again. The Cards are aggressively seeking to upgrade by adding Masterson and Lackey, and who knows who else, while the Pirates are rumored to be interested in a Cubs utility infielder. I thought with a doubling in average game attendance over the past few years, ongoing league revenue sharing, and 35 years since a World Series appearance, ownership might be willing to spend a few bucks and trade a few prospects to win now. If small market teams like Oakland, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Baltimore can do it, why can’t we?

    • Tetrapharmakos
      July 31, 2014 2:42 pm

      You realize you are in the comments section of a “Pirates in on David Price trade” article, yeah?

      • Yep… The Pirates also were “in on” Lester, Lackey, and others and yet our foes somehow are getting better and we are not. Rumors mean nada… Let’s see some moves.

        • Tetrapharmakos
          July 31, 2014 3:29 pm

          Then why mention: “the Pirates are rumored to be interested in a Cubs utility infielder,” in the comments section of a “Pirates are rumored to be interested David Price” article. Why not save your hot takes for actual moves?

        • Clay, you think adding Masterson and Lackey upgrades the Cardinals? I don’t. Both coming off injuries. Both well past their prime. They are looking for short-term starting pitching until their regular starters come off the DL. They have not improved their offense, which is their weakness, and neither of those 2 pitchers they got would be in the Pirates top 5 starters.

          • Yes, I do, and, evidently, so, too, does the Cards excellent front office brass (who figure out a way to contend every year). Even if these two new pitchers just hold the fort down until better starters return, they are better, and Lackey might still turn in a solid playoff start or two. He was pretty darn good just 9 months ago for the Sox.

    • If the Cardinals want Price, they can have him. Let them butcher their farm system. They only trade him if someone overpays, so I don’t want any part of it

    • Small Market Tigers and Orioles, lol. Oakland technically is in one of the biggest Media Markets in the US in the Bay Area, they just choose to spend much less then the Giants 40 minutes down the highway

    • the cards also aggressively got rid of Craig and Kelly. they might’ve taken 2 steps forward, but they did also take 1.5 steps back.

  • Pedro, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson enough to get him? Rays are known to like getting quality and quantity… would hope the quantity and Pedro (to DH for them or play 1B/3B while Loney/Longoria are hurt/rested) could allow them to avoid dealing a top 5 prospect

    • letsgopitt123
      July 31, 2014 2:32 pm

      I would like that. Something is telling me no unfortunately. He is “close” to being traded. SHould find out soon

  • Erik Masucci
    July 31, 2014 2:23 pm

    Could see the pirates dangling Neil Walker out there. Probably can’t resign him and harrison can slide to 2B everyday

  • Price is signed through 2015, so the Bucs could move him in the offseason to recover some prospects. Probably wouldn’t get as much back as we give up now, but could get something of value back for sure.

    • Bryan Graham
      July 31, 2014 2:40 pm

      Why on gods green earth would the Pirates want to trade him in the offseason? Do they not plan on being in contention next year also? He is a legitimate ace and playoff/World Series contenders don’t deal away legitimate aces. Seriously, the the teams you’re competing against have guys like Kershaw and Wainright, you need a guy that you know can go toe to toe with them, not just hope they can.

      • First reason is because he’s due 20 M next year. I know it’s fun to spend other people’s money, but I can’t blame NH if his reasons are salary related. And finally, we aren’t resigning him after next year. So the talent lost needs to be recovered as much as possible. Otherwise you’re left devoid of young talent and thus go back to losing almost every yeae

        • The Rays will almost definitely be paying at least some of that $20M salary.

          • Tetrapharmakos
            July 31, 2014 2:58 pm

            Are you nuts? The Rays will almost certainly NOT be paying any of that $20M salary. Why do you think they are trading him in the first place.

            • Because they’re not competitive this year and this is the best time to sell on Price.

              • Tetrapharmakos
                July 31, 2014 3:08 pm

                Well, that and he is do $20M next season. It’s hard to argue that money is not a consideration otherwise they’d just keep him because despite this year’s performance, I suspect the Rays think they ought to compete next year. I suppose they could take on some salary to acquire more in the way of players/prospects, but that doesn’t strike me as particularly likely given the haul that Price would command anyway.

                • I don’t think they’d just keep him. If they’re not in contention next year, they’d have to sell Price anyway, and they’d get back less than they would have if they moved him this year. They’re not in contention at all this year, and Price is definitely their biggest trade chip. They’re sellers, but who else are they realistically gonna be able to sell but Price?

                  • Tetrapharmakos
                    July 31, 2014 3:22 pm

                    “…they’d have to sell Price anyway”

                    the reason that this is true is because of the $$$. If he cost $1M they wouldn’t need to sell him. As for who else they could sell: Zobrist has been mentioned a few times.

                    • Do you think the Rays would be shopping Price if they were in the lead in the AL East? Or if they were only, say, 2 games back? If they don’t move him this year, and they’re in that position next year, do you think they shop him? No. They wouldn’t. Because it’s not about the money, it’s about how competitive they are. $20M for David Price is a perfectly reasonable salary even for a small market team when you’re in the thick of the playoff race. It’s only a burden when you’re paying him $20 million and not winning.

          • What makes you think it wont take Taillon too. We’ve heard that it’ll take at least 3 top prospects. That’s 60 percent of the elite talent in our farm. We don’t acquire talent in the way most teams do. Our farm is our future. You eliminate a majority of that talent, and we’ll be left rather devoid in about 3-4 years

        • Bryan Graham
          July 31, 2014 3:12 pm

          Sorry moose, you’re just plain wrong on this. The Pirates can afford $20M for one season, especially considering they will have a fair amount of money coming off the books. Then let’s look at next season, they should be contending next year also, what do you do then? You go try to get another ace and spend prospects. You have prospects for 2 reason, for trade chips or to help your team in the future. The Pirates have an abundance of prospects and would still have a top farm system even with trading for price, i.e. there would still be lots of talent down on the farm. Not to mention you can tender Price after next year and get a comp. pick for him to pick up another prospect. I personally don’t think they will have a true home grown ace until Glasnow makes it. All that being said, I’m not in any way suggesting that they give up a bat crap crazy return for Price which they may have to do to get him, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a deal centered around a Kingham or Bell.

          • we shouldn’t really be rooting for them to have the smallest payroll possible.

            we should be rooting for fitting the most talent on the roster that they can while:
            1) keeping payroll at about $90ish million.
            and 2) not making any stupid long term moves to players who will age poorly.

            I only say that payroll can be $90ish million because that’s what signing burnett would have gotten them to. Proof that they were willing to pay the team that much. i’m not saying $90 million in a “OMG NUTTING IS CHEAP” kind of way. Just in a “Hey. this seems to be where they aim to be” way.

            my belief is that there is enough young cheap talent on the roster to pull it off and that the 2015 rotation needs upside. 2016 Taillon will be ready to go full speed.

          • By advocating a deal for Price, you’re probably advocating moving Glasnow. But I stand behind my other comment. You have no right to tell Nutting how to spend his money. That’s like me telling you to buy me a brand new car

            • Bryan Graham
              July 31, 2014 4:10 pm

              But I guess you do have the right to tell Nutting how to spend his money, or not spend his money? Good for you, he obviously decided to not spend his money AGAIN.

              • How am I personifying that. I’m not telling him to not spend money. I just know he wont

            • Mike Adamson
              July 31, 2014 4:29 pm

              Yea Bryan just go to the games and don’t have expectations…

        • Scott Kliesen
          July 31, 2014 3:27 pm

          If Pirates trade 2 or even 3 of their to prospects to acquire Price, they will have one of the top teams in MLB PLUS 4-5 top 100 prospects. How exactly do you figure they’ll go back to losing every year Moose?

          • Not saying immediately, but slowly they probably will. They don’t acquire talent in any other way. If you give a large portion of it up, and the rest graduate in 3 years where does the farm stand? It’s gotta be evaluated on a prospect to prospect basis. Some players are simply untouchable to me. I don’t care how good David Price is. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give up any of our top prospects just the right ones

            • Scott Kliesen
              July 31, 2014 3:48 pm

              Moose, with all due respect you need to get past the past. This organization doesn’t resemble the Pirates of 10-20 years ago, and one trade isn’t going to change that fact.

              • The team on the field may not look that way, but the moves by this FO seem similar. You can’t make big market moves unless you plan on changing your philosophy the whole way. Otherwise you hurt yourself long term. Don’t forget what changed the team on the field from 10 years ago, it wasn’t trading for David Price. It was from developing from within and patience

                • Scott Kliesen
                  July 31, 2014 4:23 pm

                  If you’re in it to win it, you need to think like a champion and act like a champion. When’s the last WS champion who sat on the sidelines while all their competitors were busy getting better?

                  Sad day for Pirates fans. Oh what could’ve been.

                  • Overpaying for a pitcher is not the actions of a champion.

                    • Scott Kliesen
                      July 31, 2014 7:42 pm

                      There are several GM’s who are putting your theory to the test today. Likely one of them will prove you wrong.

                    • I don’t know what you mean. Most of the big deals saw contenders give up something on the MLB roster to get something.

    • I doubt they’d move him in the offseason if they traded for him. I think at the very least they would start the season with him, try to compete, and then trade him if they’re out of the race at the deadline. If not, I could definitely see them keeping him for another year.

  • The Red Sox deals are not what we normally see in deadline sell-off deals by non-contenders. Instead of dealing for prospects who may help over the next 6 to 7 years, the Sox have focused directly on 2015. It seems likely they will try to sign Lester again this Fall. They do not really need Lackey – he is a decent pitcher whom many people think is a good pitcher.
    The Rays seem more likely to deal Price for a more substantial, long-term return. For the Pirates to acquire him, my guess is the Rays would want Polanco. I cannot imagine making that trade.

    • The Red Sox weren’t really expecting to be sellers. They’re still gonna have a solid core next season, so they don’t really need to sell for 6 years from now when they can fill some holes in free agency and be competitive again next year.

  • Most I would offer would be Marte, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson/Cumpton. No part of me wants to give up Glasnow, Taillon, meadows, McGuire, or Bell

    • letsgopitt123
      July 31, 2014 2:21 pm

      Why would you trade Marte? if you make a trade for price shouldn’t you try to put your best team on the field right now? Isn’t the whole point of getting him to compete right now?

      • Marte alone is more valuable than price. if price had 2 yrs of control, and bell was ready to take over for Marte, i’d consider it.

        • The Pirates could make a qualifying offer for Price at the end of next year, right? Couldn’t that work out like two more years of control? Expensive, but control.

          • sure. he just wouldn’t accept it. but yeah that draft pick from a declined QO is probably a part of the whole Price trade calculus.

            • Right, so this falls under “uneducated speculation”, but the Pirates could grab him, use him next year and then make a QO over the minimum that would ward off other teams willing to give up draft picks to snatch him. Then he’d have the option of making a crap-ton of money with us in 2016 or waiting until the middle of 2016 to sign with another team. I don’t know if we have pockets deep enough or if it’s worth it but it could work.

              • Bryan Graham
                July 31, 2014 3:15 pm

                Finding a team that would be willing to part with a first round draft pick to get price wouldn’t be a problem.

                • yeah. there has been research done to show that the draft pic comps don’t really hurt the elite FAs

      • I’m not as high on Marte as most, I don’t see him as a 5 tool player like we originally thought. But the Rays might, losing him would hopefully save our more talented prospects from the trade. Besides Josh Harrison has been a better player this year. Let him play everyday, and lineup is still improved

      • I would assume any trade involving Marte would also have to include a lesser outfielder coming back. Probably Matt Joyce from the Rays. Or maybe the team would make Harrison a full time OF. Who knows? I doubt they move Marte either way though.

    • Tampa doesn’t need a major league-ready OF, they already have Myers, Kiermaier, Jennings, DeJesus and Joyce locked up. Middle infield and pitching is what they’ll want – something like Glasnow/Jones or Kingham/Hanson. Plus they always seem to round out their trades with a ton of C prospects.

      • Then I don’t make the deal. Let him go

        • I think I would trade Kingham/Hanson, but not Glasnow/Jones. And I’d love to throw Pedro in there to get back Zobrist and maybe a relief pitcher.

  • I am not as sold on how good Price is as most, I hope the Pirates drop out of the Price race.

    • Tetrapharmakos
      July 31, 2014 2:18 pm

      I’m certainly scared of the price tag (ugh, not a pun. I repeat: Not.A.Pun) but it’s hard to argue with an 8.22 K/BB ratio and a 2.73 xFIP.

    • Geez, I don’t know…he’s got a Cy Young, a 2.93 FIP this year, he’s a given for 200+ top-level innings–how much better than that is there?

  • i think all the major leaguer for major leaguer deals make sense. lots of good players with short term deals going for decent players with longer deals. I feel like the Red Sox’ deals don’t give us an idea of a bad market since they are also buying in a way.

    we still don’t have much of an idea what the prospect exchange rate is.