Taillon and Glasnow Named Among the Top Pitching Prospect Duos

Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo have released their top pitching prospect duos in the minor leagues. Callis had Jameson Taillon and Tyler Glasnow third overall on his list, while Mayo had that combo first overall. The best part about these rankings is that they don’t include Gerrit Cole, who lost prospect eligibility last year.

Callis has the Rockies (Jon Gray and Eddie Butler) and the Orioles (Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman) ahead of the Pirates. However, I think if you expanded the rankings to guys that were 25 and under, which would include Cole, the Pirates would be hands down winners. It’s not that winning a list like this is the important thing. The important thing here is that this is another reminder that the Pirates could have a very good rotation of young, talented pitchers. Taillon should join the Pirates in 2014, while Glasnow could be up as early as mid-2015. Those guys could also be joined by Nick Kingham in the next year.

  • AlvarezRiverBall
    February 5, 2014 10:13 pm

    Disclaimer, Jon Mayo is from Pittsburgh. Bias could be played here.

  • If Liriano pitches like he did last year in 2014 he will price himself out of the bucs range. It is what it is. The Pirates just won’t give a pitcher 4 years 60 mil or whatever other huge number a lefty starter that throws 95 will get on the market.

  • The closer we get to a rotation of Cole, Taillon, Glasnow, Morton, Kingham, the more I’m curious how much of an issue an all RH rotation is. All wonderful pitchers to have, but I wonder how much of a problem it could create in an October clash when matchups are that much more vital.

    • Just a reminder take a look at St Louis rotation

    • Wow, your glass isn’t half empty, it is dry as a bone.

    • I hate answering a question with a question but how many teams are loaded with left-handed hitters who can crush 98 mph fastballs? I’m sure that there are a couple of teams who could give that rotation fits, but if it’s just a couple, that’s fine. I think that it’s more important to have quality lefties in the bullpen for late-inning match-ups.

      • The answer to your question is many teams have hitters who can crush a 98 mph fastball if it is not spotted properly. Control is throwing in the strike zone, but Command is being able to spot the ball within the strike zone with more than one pitch. If all the pitcher does is throw 98 down the middle without any movement, he is meat! Cole had some issues like that in college and in the minors, but his Command improved and he is now recognized as one of the best young pitchers in the game.

        Teams usually set their pitching so that they throw off the other team’s hitters. When hitters can get set to see nothing but high 90’s RHSP’s, they will improve over a series. If they see a LHSP mixed between the RHSP’s it has a tendency to keep them off balance from game to game. Knuckleballers are even better. And then there are teams who favor pitchers based on their home field – Boston does not throw a lot of lefties because of the short porch in LF, and because PNC is Death Valley in LC, it actually favors LHSP’s.

        • The most deviously constructed pitching staff I ever saw in that respect — although not spectacularly successful for the short time they had together — was the late-1970s Houston Astros featuring Nolan Ryan, JR Richard, Joe Niekro and Bob Knepper. Two guys throwing 100-mph gas sandwiched around a knuckleballer and a lefty with a devastating curve.

          They’d have your swing messed up for two weeks after a four-game series.

      • Honestly- most. Left handed hitters are typically low fastball hitters by nature. Any left handed hitter than can crush anything (ie has power) is going to crush a 98 mph fastball if he is looking for it. There is a definite need for a left handed pitcher in the rotation towards the middle in the future, but we have a year and spring training to figure that out. I don’t want our #5 starter to be the lefty cause that would have no value in the playoffs, and you also need both a middle and late reliever to be a lefty. Luckily Wilson fills one of those holes. I still have a lot of hope for Locke being a good solid #3, but we’ll see.

    • That’s the reason I’m in favor of going hard for Liriano if he shows the same type of success, especially at PNC, he did last season. However, I seem to be in the minority based on the comments of others on this site.

    • Hey, I’m not saying this wouldn’t be a fantastic rotation, but these are things you have to consider. You don’t want to be stuck throwing Charlie Morton, for instance, against a lefty dominated lineup if you can help it. Change of pace, and pitching to your ballpark’s dimensions, and obviously splits are things that have value when it comes to creating optimal situations.

  • Cato the Elder
    February 4, 2014 3:06 pm

    If you wen under-25, then Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndergaard challenge for the top spot, methinks.

    • Possible, but Harvey turns 25 before the season starts.

    • Even with Harvey’s elbow?

      • Cato the Elder
        February 4, 2014 11:17 pm

        Arguably yes. Harvey may have been the best pitcher in baseball prior to the injury. That makes him the best scenario for Cole’s, sans injury. Bundy has the same injury and Cali’s still prefers him and Gaussman to Tailob and Glasnow, so it’s not a deal breaker. But you cant just handwave away an i jury so or accounting purposes let’s say Cole>Harvey. Wheeler had a 3.42 ERA with 8+ K/9 over 100 innings. I’d take that line from this coming year and be happy. Wheeler will play the will start the season in the bigs. If he puts up those numbers over the whole year he’d be better than Taillon almost by definition. Wheeler>Taillon seems fair. Syndrgaard will probably have a similar impact on the upcoming season as Taillon (at leadt in terms of timeline/innings pitched) and there are those that feel Syndrgaard is a better prospect than Taillon. Be that as it may Syndrgaard>Glasnow.

        Even if you docked Harvey a ton for the elbow its conceivable that a person could prefer Wheeler and Syndrgaard to Cole and Taillon, or at least find it to be close enough that Harvey vis-á-vis Glasnow is enough to tip the scales toward the Mets.

        All that said I think I’d prefer the Pirates trio (today), but I think the Mets would challenge for the top spot in the eyes of many a scout and writer.

  • Hope you’re right about Kingham moving up this year, too. As excited as I am about a having one-two-three punch of Cole, Taillon and Morton next season, we’ll be losing Liriano by then, plus Burnett and Wandy — assuming either actually pitches for us this year.

    I’d love to pencil Kingham into the fourth spot coming out of spring training next year and wait for Glasnow to show up in midseason. That way we’d only be filling one starting slot, plus whatever we need in the bullpen, with the best of Locke, Cumpton, Volquez, and a reclamation project to be named later.

  • Man, I am just counting the hours until pitchers and catchers report! I haven’t been this jazzed for spring training to get here since………………..I can’t really recall. I had little optimism in 11 after 100 plus losses, a bit more in 12 with the Burnett signing, but the second collapse really soured me for 13.

    Can’t hardly wait!

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